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[Stewart P Evans]

Official Reports

The other, which really threw me, was Stewart Evans declaring that Chapman's genitals were placed above her shoulder. From memory (which I backed up by a quick look at the victim page so as to avoid embarassing myself) there was only intestines over her shoulder. That one I even cued back to listen carefully, as he was in voice-over at that point rather than on-screen, but it didn't sound like a bit of tricky editing. Mr Evans, if you're out there, any comments? B.

One of the great drawbacks of writing and broadcasting is that comments made, often years ago, are likely to pop back at any time to bite you in the rear end. None of us is perfect and, as we all should admit, it is human to err. Those who know me are aware that I never talk or conduct interviews from prepared notes and many of the documentary interviews are made without prior knowledge of exactly what the questions will be.

That said, it is thus necessary to have a pretty good working knowledge of the case and the official reports. I usually feel fairly secure with my general knowledge of these reports as I transcribed them all many years ago. On this occasion I must disagree with the above poster and say that the official reports should always take precedence over secondary sources; on this occasion I do not think that I am in error. I do not agree that 'there was only intestines over her shoulder.'

To back up this statement I would refer you to Chief Inspector Swanson's overall report, of 19 October 1888, on the Chapman murder, HO 144/221/A49301C, f 137. Here he clearly states - "Removed from but attached to body, & placed above right shoulder were a flap of the wall of belly, the whole of the small intestines & attachments Two other portions of wall of belly & "Pubes" were placed above left shoulder in a large quantity of blood."

[Jeff Leahy]

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Martin Fido referred to Tabram as having "over 40" stab wounds - it's 39, isn't it?

The other, which really threw me, was Stewart Evans declaring that Chapman's genitals were placed above her shoulder. From memory (which I backed up by a quick look at the victim page so as to avoid embarassing myself) there was only intestines over her shoulder. That one I even cued back to listen carefully, as he was in voice-over at that point rather than on-screen, but it didn't sound like a bit of tricky editing. Mr Evans, if you're out there, any comments?

Pretty good doco overall, tho nothing special. Had a couple of fun tidbits to offer, like Reid once being notable as the shortest cop in the Met

Cheers,
B.

Hi Bailey

Your not really being serious are you?

I'm afraid I'm not an expert on JtR history. But I do know a little about making TV. (thats what I do for a living)

If you wish to critisize Producers/directors thats fair enough. But contributors have little say about the final input into any program.

A contributor can only give his comments and hope the editor/producer gets it right.

On very rare occations the experts have got it wrong..I believe the Great Don Rumblow made a mistake in a recent documentary..well a name slip..

However its up to the production company to check their footage..Don made a genuine slip..the production company could very easily have made an edit if they were bothered to check..

Martin Fido and Stewart Evans need no appologuise from me..they have earned their own reputations..

However at any piont the production companies could have checked their programs with these experts..they simply choose not to..because they dont care..

I know because its what I do for a living..I would be discusted with this lack of regard for my audiance...

DO NOT BLAME THE CONTIBUTOR...BLAME THE PRODUCER

enough said

Pirate

[Ash]

I filmed an interview for a doc while in the States for the last conference. I'm afraid I don't remember the name of the guy who filmed it, and I never heard anything more about it or saw the finished product (which I was a bit annoyed about) so can't be more helpful than that. But Judy Stock should know more details, as she set the interview up.

[Bailey]

is the 'historys mysteries: the hunt for jcak the ripper' the same as 'historys mysteries: jack the ripper' (history channel)?
joel

Coincidentally, I watched this one yesterday, probably for the first time since buying it a few years ago, and noticed two rather glaring errors from a couple of our more prominent Ripperologists.

Martin Fido referred to Tabram as having "over 40" stab wounds - it's 39, isn't it?

The other, which really threw me, was Stewart Evans declaring that Chapman's genitals were placed above her shoulder. From memory (which I backed up by a quick look at the victim page so as to avoid embarassing myself) there was only intestines over her shoulder. That one I even cued back to listen carefully, as he was in voice-over at that point rather than on-screen, but it didn't sound like a bit of tricky editing. Mr Evans, if you're out there, any comments?

Pretty good doco overall, tho nothing special. Had a couple of fun tidbits to offer, like Reid once being notable as the shortest cop in the Met

Cheers,
B.

[Mike Covell]

is the 'historys mysteries: the hunt for jcak the ripper' the same as 'historys mysteries: jack the ripper' (history channel)?

Jack is spelt different on one of them Joel

Kiddin aside, I was trawling through Myspace earlier and realised there were loads of small doc's made in a similar vain to those on Youtube.

[joelhall]

is the 'historys mysteries: the hunt for jcak the ripper' the same as 'historys mysteries: jack the ripper' (history channel)?

also theres a couple of short docu-featurettes on the 'from hell' bonus disc. not sure of the titles as theyre just titled 'victim/suspect profiles', and so forth.

joel

[Jeff Leahy]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know if Jeremy Beadles Jack the Ripper broadcasts at LBC still survive.

I know everything they do is podcast today. But was this before that time?

I'd like to catch some of his stuff if anyone has it?

Jeff

[George Hutchinson]

Believe it or not, Fido has done no less than THREE different audio packages for sale on JTR. Got 'em all.

PHILIP

[jmenges]

Bailey,

Martin Fido did a number of audio cassettes on criminal cases, Jack the Ripper being one of them.

Funny that I see his Crippen and Yorkshire Ripper cassettes available on Amazon.uk, but not his Jack the Ripper one. It's highly possible that it is OOP.

Check your PM's for more about that and the NZ job.

Thanks,

JM

[Bailey]

The first I'd recommend is The Truth about Jack the Ripper written and presented by Martin Fido.

Hey Jonathon

Where can this be found? Is it online anywhere, or am I trying to hunt down a CD or something?

And get back to me when you can re whatever it was you wanted hunted up at the National Library, too.

Cheers,
B.

[jmenges]

On Ripper related audio, I only have a couple of productions and won't be including them in my podcast, although I enjoy them.

The first I'd recommend is The Truth about Jack the Ripper written and presented by Martin Fido.

The Secrets of Scotland Yard were true crime radio dramatizations that ran from 1949-1951. The episode on Jack the Ripper (fingering Klosowski aka George Chapman) is available to listen or download from the web, as are about 100 other episodes from that series.

http://ia310932.us.archive.org/1/ite..._Yard_Singles/

JM

[Jeff Leahy]

Richard Jones has done more than one JTR programme. It might even be three.

PHILIP

Hello Philip

Yes I worked for sometime with Richard on an idea of Sky. Unfortunately it got rail-roaded by a production company called Rugie Media..Richard phoned me recently to let me know they had gone bust

However he did appear in the relic's of that production, which featured Vic Reeves running around whitechappel trying to convince the public that Kernal Sanders was Jack the Ripper..

I'm sure he wouldn't want it mentioned and i'm not certain what they called the program in the end.

However Richard Jones has more Jack the Ripper video's than any other person I know and may be worth talking to...

Certainly an expert in this area. He's appeared in quite a few from all over the world.

Yours Jeff

[Derann]

Secret History, The Whitechapel Murders

Hi Guys,
Thought you might be interested to know that the Secret History documentary is available to download from the VeohTV site.
By registering and downloading the VeohTV software you can watch or download the documentary in full.
Here's the link to the site

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v63103139KnRkc9g

[BillyE]

TO KILL AND KILL AGAIN wasn't 1993, it was 2001.

Likewise, the SECRET HISTORY was, I believe, 1996 (also available as a Channel Four video called THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS).

PHILIP

Hi Philip. I don't know if there's another documentary called "To Kill and Kill Again", but I was going off the IMDb web site when I gave the year of release as 1993. I always thought they were pretty reliable, but they may have been mistaken in this case. Also with "Secret History" we seem to agree on the year, and I even gave the air date of July 25, 1996, or 25 July 1996 for our friends across the pond.

I love your guided tours on youTube of the murder sites, grave sites, and other significant locations. Keep those coming. And your video of the goat kind of reminds me of Terry Jones trying to interview a goose in his "The Crusades" documentary. Pretty hilarious.

[Sam Flynn]

Frayling was the host of Shadow of the Ripper, the BBC Timewatch show from 1988.

And a very good documentary it was, I thought - as were most Timewatch programmes.