JtR Documentaries- Complete the List

[George Hutchinson]

Sooner that than use.....

.....sarcasm.

PHILIP

[Bailey]

^ Top marks to Bailey! "Dinsdale" comes from the very same sketch I did the Chapman quote from.

PHILIP

I know it does, that's why I said it, silly person! One of my very, very, favourite Python sketches! Now post those humiliating photos, lest I be forced to come round there and nail your head to the floor.

B.

[George Hutchinson]

^ Top marks to Bailey! "Dinsdale" comes from the very same sketch I did the Chapman quote from.

I might post up a photo from my time at the LD. Then again, I might not.

PHILIP

[Bailey]

Yes, Mike. The three brass monkeys.

Bailey - those are actually Liam's hands! The awful emo Jack you mention is simply an employee of the London Dungeon. Using their actors was one of their requirements. To this day, all the staff have to wear white make-up with whatever they want on top of it. Seriously. You would have thought they would have let the guy be a little more normal though, wouldn't you?

I've got a couple of photos of myself lurking around somewhere from when I worked there. Including white face.

PHILIP

*Speechless* ... and yet should I make it to London, I know I'm such a sucker I'll cough up money to go the LD and see this for myself.

On the other hand, now that you've confessed to the existence of those pictures, I think the only honourable thing to do would be to post them here for us to see...

Love the Python quote, BTW. "Dinsdale!"

B.

[Sam Flynn]

"A murder - a murderer - is only an extroverted suicide" (Graham Chapman, 1970)

"A murder? A murder is ze voman vot voss marritt to mein farder" (George Chapman, 1902).

[George Hutchinson]

"A murder - a murderer - is only an extroverted suicide" (Graham Chapman, 1970)

PHILIP

[Mike Covell]

The awful emo Jack you mention is simply an employee of the London Dungeon.
PHILIP

An Emo Jack, I have heard it all now!!

[George Hutchinson]

Yes, Mike. The three brass monkeys.

Bailey - those are actually Liam's hands! The awful emo Jack you mention is simply an employee of the London Dungeon. Using their actors was one of their requirements. To this day, all the staff have to wear white make-up with whatever they want on top of it. Seriously. You would have thought they would have let the guy be a little more normal though, wouldn't you?

I've got a couple of photos of myself lurking around somewhere from when I worked there. Including white face.

PHILIP

[Mike Covell]

Should be a fantastic show!!

[jmenges]

Jonathan - I've got pretty much ALL the documentaries you'll be talking about this evening and I have the evening free. If you wanted me to come on board, you know where I am. PM me here, though, as I won't have Skype turned on.

PHILIP

You're on Philip. I'll PM you.

Thanks,

JM

[Bailey]

Hey Philip

It's certainly a very watchable doco. Like most it's a little lurid here and there and has a few inaccuracies, but would make a great intro to the case... if the voiceover wasn't so odd, which I know my wife found really offputting when we first watched it, and has become something of a joke since. It's hard to describe - over-enunciated, with some weird emphasis on odd words. I ultimately decided the best summing up was Stephen Hawking by way of Blackadder.

Aside from that, my only other worry about it was the weird filmed inserts of people lovingly fondling kidneys and the extremely odd-looking Jack they had lurking about, all top hat and long coat with big sideburns and Emo makeup

JTR's London was much more interesting for me as someone who has not had the opportunity to visit the sites - to see them as they are now directly contrasted with archival photos like that is quite superb. Someone should do a book like that, don't you think?

B.

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Bailey.

I used to casually know Liam Dale, who wrote and did the voiceovers for those two pieces. I did point out to him his voiceover was odd but he thought it was some kind of compliment. He's done loads of different pieces on all sorts of subjects and it's always bizarre.

The second piece - Jack the Ripper Conspiracies - was comissioned, and consequently Liam had some money to play with. Some clips are taken from the first one but it's the better of the two. It's not really a bad documentary if you can get over his voice.

Jonathan - I've got pretty much ALL the documentaries you'll be talking about this evening and I have the evening free. If you wanted me to come on board, you know where I am. PM me here, though, as I won't have Skype turned on.

PHILIP

[Bailey]

Thanks all for your input here and compliments on the podcast. I'll be putting the show together over the next 2 days so look for it available on Monday evening(USA).

It's a solo show since I've kindly allowed 3 co-hosts to take a bit of a summer break. Given that and the rather difficult subject matter of dates and details for these programs, some of which I've not seen, don't expect it to be an error free podcast. But a general overview of the timeline as it pertains to Ripper documentaries.

Hope you all find it enjoyable.

JM

www.rippernet.com

I'm sure it'll be excellent as ever, JM. I've just been having another look at "Jack The Ripper Conspiracies." No doubt someone involved is waiting to leap out at me over this, but I will stand by my following opinion that it (and its sibling "Jack The Ripper's London") deserve some sort of award for Weirdest Voiceover Style Ever...

Looking forward to the end result,
B.

[jmenges]

Thanks all for your input here and compliments on the podcast. I'll be putting the show together over the next 2 days so look for it available on Monday evening(USA).

It's a solo show since I've kindly allowed 3 co-hosts to take a bit of a summer break. Given that and the rather difficult subject matter of dates and details for these programs, some of which I've not seen, don't expect it to be an error free podcast. But a general overview of the timeline as it pertains to Ripper documentaries.

Hope you all find it enjoyable.

JM

www.rippernet.com

[Bailey]

At least 1hr per victim..(six victims) and some modern forensenic psychology on the killer's, Druit and Kosminski (Chapman/Tumbelty).

Yikes! That's pretty ambitious, Jeff! So presumably, one episode per each of six (assuming C5 plus Tabram?) victims, then are you looking at an episode per suspect, or one suspect episode? Either way, best of luck - it'd be something to see.

So as per your feeling that you'd want to be extremely on the ball with fact checking, would you, for example, show a cut or perhaps the raw footage of their interview to each contributor to allow them to correct themselves if they felt they'd put a foot wrong somewhere? The downside there of course is that while you might be able to cover such situations in the edit (a new voiceover placed over appropriate archival stills or footage being the easy option) you could find yourself having to resort to reshoots.

And I guess you'd maybe want a couple of better known names - the likes of Begg, Evans, Fido, Skinner et al - to peruse the entire finished product to fact check. That could be costly of course, as I expect such consulting / advisory fees might run to a few quid.

Anyhoo, best of luck - as I said, it's an ambitious project you have in mind, and I can see how it might be a tricky one to find a home for.

Cheers,
B.