Oh, Dear Boss: Druitt's on a Sticky Wicket

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Doc,

Afaik there is no actual evidence that he was sacked, only speculation and supposition.

Cheers, George

Well it is something to be considered as well as the gone abroad explanation !!!!!!

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[Trevor Marriott]

Mr policeman, you seriously can't figure it out?

Let me give you a hand..... the school for boys, was not solely inhabited by boys, therefore cannot be used to suggest homosexuality.
No charge...

Pro-bono Consultation.

Your line of reasoning is totally illogical

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[Trevor Marriott]

A corpse cannot defend itself, so how can the police hope to build a case against it?
The best the police can hope for is to confirm him a suspect.
Why waste money on that?

Its not just proving a case its about disproving his involvement and MM did neither considering years later when thew Aberconway version was penned he exonarates two of his suspects indicating that investigations had been carried out in order for them to be exonearated

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[Trevor Marriott]

A corpse cannot defend itself, so how can the police hope to build a case against it?
The best the police can hope for is to confirm him a suspect.
Why waste money on that?

Investigations are not about saving money they are about finding the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Bloody text! Should have read ‘anatomical’ of course

[Herlock Sholmes]

A corpse cannot defend itself, so how can the police hope to build a case against it?
The best the police can hope for is to confirm him a suspect.
Why waste money on that?

Exactly. Why does this need explaining?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock,
in reply to your post 298.
It's always been down to one man Herlock,but which man? MacNaghten himself names one man as more likely to be the Ripper than anyone else.

Which should be of interest. If people don’t think it’s of interest then the shouldn’t waste time posting on the subject.

Numerous authors have singled out one individual who they believe to have been the ripper.If suspect/person of interest thing is pointless,why do you continue to post on the subject.

Because you and Trevor keep going on about it. Pointlessly trying to get everyone to stop calling Druitt a ‘suspect.’ Surely you can see by now that no one is intending to follow this advice. The fact is, and it will not change, that in terms of ripperology a ‘suspect’ is someone that has at some point been suspected by someone. So it’s you and Trevor that are wasting your time on this topic.

How far would we get if we discontinued using those terms?

Terms are unimportant. Call suspects elephants if you want. It won’t affect discussion one iota.

We are searching for a Ripper not Rippers,if MacNaghten is to be believed.Not everyone believes him.

The ‘some believe him some don’t’ point applies to so many things. But why is it that one side is the one that continually tries to close down the other side?

There is no evidence against Druitt.

A pointless statement considering the other suspects.

There is a suggestion,and it is no more than that,which implies Druitt could have had mental problems.

He committed suicide and, as far as we know, he wasn’t terminally ill. Hardly normal behaviour Harry.

A suggestion carries no weight as evidence.Even if Druitt was affected by mental issues,all that would be established would be his state of health.

It would be considered a point of interest. Why do you, like Trevor, seek to dismiss everything by framing your point as if someone is proposing something as clinching evidence. No one has claimed that possible mental illness proves anything Harry. It’s simply a point of interest in the Druitt story.

There is no evidence the Ripper or any of the Whitechpel killers were insane.

And there’s no evidence against any of the suspects so why is this only a problem for Druitt. He and Mac certainly get the special treatment.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think Detective Abberline said it best Harry , and perhaps the whole Druitt matter should end with this .

In 1903, Inspector Abberline, gave an interview to the Pall Mall Gazette in response to a claim made in a Sunday newspaper that the Ripper was a young medical student who had drowned in the Thames. Abberline said, ''Yes, I know all about that story, but what does it amount to, simply this, soon after the last murder in Whitechapel the body of a young man was found in the Thames, but there is nothing beyond the fact that he was found at that time to incriminate him''.

Yeah, a retire Police Officer 15 years after the murder. Moving on…..

The Druitt subject should end when actual evidence to eliminate him is produced. And it hasn’t. As a matter of fact evidence has recently surfaced to show that he now has no alibi for Tabram which must stick in your throat.

I’ll tell you what should end for the benefit of all Fishy. The utterly pointless contributions by posters like yourself and Trevor. And before you get into your usual ‘victim mode’ I’m not trying to dictate, I’m simply making a point for the benefit of all including yourself.

You, Trevor and Harry see absolutely no merit in Druitt as a suspect. Fair enough, those are your opinions and you are entitled to them but really, what is the point of repeating them? Neither of you are adding constructively to the discussion on Druitt so why bother? I wouldn’t bother posting on a subject that doesn’t interest me so what compels you three to keep telling us how we should dismiss Druitt as a suspect. Is it me or does I feel a little……weird. A bit like the dog that doesn’t want the bone but tries to prevent another dog from having it.

If Druitt doesn’t interest you, if you believe that he’s not worth consideration as a suspect, then it would be of general benefit if you all stopped wasting your own and everyone else’s time posting on the subject. Yours and Trevor’s constantly negative repetition is not only tedious it’s pointless. We all get the message. You don’t consider Druitt a suspect. You consider MacNaghten a liar or an incompetent. Yes, ok, blah, blah, blah. This is a forum to discuss not just to keep reposting the same old negatives.

So why not do yourselves and everyone else a favour……go and post on a topic that interests you and that you can make a positive contribution to. One that doesn’t involve Druitt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Your line of reasoning is totally illogical

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The assumption that he was gay is illogical and baseless.
The assumption that he was sacked for molesting boys is baseless.

He might have molested a boy/boys.
He might have bern violent toward a boy/boys.
He might have violently assaulted a male member of staff.
He might have violently assaulted a female member of staff.
He might have been found to have been having a ‘relationship’ with a female servant.
‘He might have been found to have been having a ‘relationship’ with a male member of staff.
He might have been caught ‘in flagrante’ with a female staff member.
His behaviour might have become strange/worrying.
He may have been subject to regular absences.
Someone might have found pornographic material in his room.

So there are 10 ‘possibles.’ I’m sure that others could be added. So to favour one over others, purely for convenience in your case, is illogical.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Investigations are not about saving money they are about finding the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!

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They are about getting a result. The CPS won’t proceed with a case if they see no realistic chance of a result even with a team of experienced detectives believing a person guilty. So why proceed with an investigation if they didn’t have a chance of getting to the bottom of it and where the suspect had been dead for 6 years?

[Doctored Whatsit]

Hi Doc,

Afaik there is no actual evidence that he was sacked, only speculation and supposition.

Cheers, George

According to his brother's statement under oath at the inquest, Monty was dismissed from the school after getting into "serious trouble". As far as I am aware, this has never been questioned, and merely the nature of that offence has been discussed.

[Trevor Marriott]

According to his brother's statement under oath at the inquest, Monty was dismissed from the school after getting into "serious trouble". As far as I am aware, this has never been questioned, and merely the nature of that offence has been discussed.

Thank you for posting that i would suggest then rules out the gone abroad reason for dismissal.

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[FISHY1118]

Yeah, a retire Police Officer 15 years after the murder. Moving on…..

The Druitt subject should end when actual evidence to eliminate him is produced. And it hasn’t. As a matter of fact evidence has recently surfaced to show that he now has no alibi for Tabram which must stick in your throat.

I’ll tell you what should end for the benefit of all Fishy. The utterly pointless contributions by posters like yourself and Trevor. And before you get into your usual ‘victim mode’ I’m not trying to dictate, I’m simply making a point for the benefit of all including yourself.

You, Trevor and Harry see absolutely no merit in Druitt as a suspect. Fair enough, those are your opinions and you are entitled to them but really, what is the point of repeating them? Neither of you are adding constructively to the discussion on Druitt so why bother? I wouldn’t bother posting on a subject that doesn’t interest me so what compels you three to keep telling us how we should dismiss Druitt as a suspect. Is it me or does I feel a little……weird. A bit like the dog that doesn’t want the bone but tries to prevent another dog from having it.

If Druitt doesn’t interest you, if you believe that he’s not worth consideration as a suspect, then it would be of general benefit if you all stopped wasting your own and everyone else’s time posting on the subject. Yours and Trevor’s constantly negative repetition is not only tedious it’s pointless. We all get the message. You don’t consider Druitt a suspect. You consider MacNaghten a liar or an incompetent. Yes, ok, blah, blah, blah. This is a forum to discuss not just to keep reposting the same old negatives.

So why not do yourselves and everyone else a favour……go and post on a topic that interests you and that you can make a positive contribution to. One that doesn’t involve Druitt.

You really are an amaizing chap you know that. Bit like a ''Do as i say not as i do'' hey ,what makes your contributions to the subject of Druitt any less pointless ?

That point goes for your entire post . I think were all a bit tired of your holier than tho attitude to be honest , by all means post whatever you like but stop telling others what they can or cant/ should or shouldnt post . ffs

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[Abby Normal]

Hi Doc,

Afaik there is no actual evidence that he was sacked, only speculation and supposition.

Cheers, George

hi gb
at the inquest his brother had said he was dismissed at school for getting into serious trouble. the speculation is what specifically for?
now that would be good to know.

[Abby Normal]

Thank you for posting that i would suggest then rules out the gone abroad reason for dismissal.

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why? it could also mean for being absent from his teaching duties too much.