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  • Tom_Wescott
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    It was an excellent episode. Everyone contributed. Mark Ripper, in particular, was in fine form. He is rather terrifying.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • jmenges
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    Pg.69: HR writes, ‘“The coroner took the opportunity once more to question Ellen as to her comment that Polly intended to find the money for her lodgings. “I suppose you formed an opinion of what that meant,” he interjected.’

    As you pointed out elsewhere Paul, this question was asked by the foreman of the jury, Mr Horey, not by the coroner, Wynne Baxter, but Rubenhold places it as coming from Baxter’s lips to help drive home her point that he was pressuring the witness.

    JM

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  • PaulB
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    We didn't go looking for errors either. We knew the claim that three of the victims weren't prostitutes was likely wrong and it soon became clear that Rubenhold didn't have answers for the evidence that they were, but that she didn't even acknowledge that the evidence existed. She simply ignored it. Our familiarity with the case also made us question some of Rubenhold's statements, such as her claim that Wynne Baxter, the coroner, pressed Ellen Holland to admit that Nichols was a prostitute - or, as Rubenhold put it, 'in the hope she would make an incriminating statement about Polly’s assumed profession.' This sounded interesting, but, of course, there is no evidence that Baxter did that at all. Nichols’ final words to Holland were that she intended to get her doss money and return to 18 Thrawl Street, therefore Baxter was obliged to inquire how Holland thought Nichols intended to get her doss money. After all, it was the coroner’s job to ascertain as best he could the probable circumstances of a person’s death, and that involved establishing where Nicholls might have gone, what she was doing, who she might see, and so on. There is no evidence that Baxter posed the questions IN THE HOPE that Holland would ‘INCRIMINATE’ her friend. Quite often we found the actual reports weren't quite as Rubenhold described them. As for little mistakes, like called Israel Lipski 'Moses Lipski', and Adolf Beck 'Alfred Beck', I don't think we noted many of those.

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  • jmenges
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    I was quite surprised at the amount of inaccuracies the conversation bought up within the book both to do with the subject but also with the wider general essay writing skills such as mis-representing quotes, ignoring data and getting names wrong.
    When reading through the book as a group, we were quite surprised at the amount of inaccuracies and misrepresentation we saw as well. Nearly every page contained something we could have mentioned. It was necessary for us to pick out just a few of the major ones and a small selection of the minor ones, otherwise our review of the book would take longer to listen to than the book itself takes to read.

    Thanks for your feedback,

    JM

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  • SkipToTheEnd
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    I was quite surprised at the amount of inaccuracies the conversation bought up within the book both to do with the subject but also with the wider general essay writing skills such as mis-representing quotes, ignoring data and getting names wrong. I for one would have expected better from someone coming from a background in academic essay writing, as some seemed like silly errors even I wouldn't have made in my History degree (and I wasn't particularly good at essay writing).

    I couldn't help but feel there's an underlying point she's trying to prove. My girlfriend whom is in psychological research has been reading up on the sex industry and in a few books there have been comments about how a 'middle class' group of the feminism movement is ultimately excluding sex workers (read: lower social classes) from their agenda - i wonder if this white washing of some of the women's past is to some how fit them within a wider politicised context. but this is merely speculation
    (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revolting-P.../dp/1786633604 -the book the above is bought up in)

    also her lack of even bothering to debate her book on twitter et al also probably tells you everything you need to know about this book.

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  • jmenges
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    Thanks, Steve!

    JM

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  • Elamarna
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    Excellent debate, fair and Frank.

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  • jmenges
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    Available to stream or download now from the following link:

    http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=222

    Also in iTunes, Google Podcasts, Podcast Addict, TuneIn Radio, and wherever audio book reviews by Ripperologists-for Ripperologists can be found.

    Thank you for listening,



    JM

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    Rippercast Reviews 'The Five' by Hallie Rubenhold

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    'The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper'
    by Hallie Rubenhold

    With Debra Arif, Paul Begg, Amanda Lloyd, Robert McLaughlin, Jon Rees and Mark Ripper.
    Hosted by Jonathan Menges.

    To be released 3 March, 2019

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    Availlable in iTunes, Google Podcasts, Podbean, Podcast Addict and wherever honest and informative audio reviews of Ripper books can be found.

    Also streaming at a Casebook link below...this Sunday.
    Stay Tuned



    JM
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