Ep. #39- A Diseased and Vile Creature: Thomas Cutbush

[andy.s]

Sorry, but my reputation has been called into question here by Ally, and in such a situation I will not defend myself, but will allow historical fact to speak for itself.
The onus is on Ally to show and prove that the allegations she has made against me, serious ones at that, can be proven in law.
She doubts my word, but she has yet to investigate the facts.
I take this matter very seriously indeed.

absolutely no need to apologise... (dear chap... old mucker... ..whatever)..but historical fact is much of a deaf mute on this bochum/ essen rape thing...believe me i have tried...so far as contacting bochum police...bochum is twinned with my home city of sheffield...i am in the process of contacting several people who did a student swap in in 1992...and they know nothing of this 1991 scenario...all i was wanting was a couple of basics to be going on with...

[Ally]

Norma,

I think you've got your Andy's confused.

Also, Ap's word being doubted is quite simply APs fault. I realize you think the sun shines out of the man's ass, but he has brought this on himself with his game playing, his hypocrisy and his blatant stupidity.

He could have come clean with the Essen Bochum story at any time. But because he apparently thinks it is beneath him to be questioned about a case he deliberately left out any details regarding and a story which reads like an urban legend on steroids, he can reap the rewards of his actions just like everyone else has to do.

No one is above being questioned when they publish a book. Isnt' that AP's actual stance? And that everyone should be held to the fire equally?

Amazing how it suddenly changes when it's APs work on the hotseat. Then he suddenly gets squeamish. I think the vitriol is a direct result of his hypocrisy.

[Ally]

Hi Andys.

I appreciate you also looking into it. There have been a few people in Germany, some with contacts in law enforcement and journalism who have contacted me lately.

They are also coming up empty handed. Good luck in your efforts.

[John Bennett]

To be honest, I find it difficult to reconcile your stance regarding "evidence" Andy.What "evidence" do you have for writing articles implying a young barrister/teacher, whose great love in life was cricket and helping to run Blackheath Cricket club was Jack the Ripper?Apart from the fact he got into some sort of trouble at the boys school he taught at and drowned himself in 1888 ? A man who hadnt even been to Whitechapel ---that we know of with any certainty---- and who had no known conviction or arrest of any kind, still less using a knife on women in the open air ?
Sir Melville Macnaghten certainly didnt bother getting his FACTS straight for one,in his famous reports, while being perfectly prepared to incriminate, in writing,by suggestion, a depressed young man----who to date anyway and from all appearances was totally innocent.

You know what regard I hold for your sincerity Andy,I am not meaning here to hold that in any doubt, but I did carry out quite a bit of research of my own into Thomas Cutbush and the book AP Wolf wrote on the matter,so I am a bit taken aback about the amount of vitriol that has been posted about AP and his work lately.

Best Wishes

Norma

Erm, Nats, I think you're confusing Andy.S (who professes to be rather new to all this) with Andy Spallek?

[Cap'n Jack]

Ally, the magic pistol that you keep in your handbag makes my posts disappear whilst yours stay. I get banned for possibly slandering some folk whilst you slander like mint sauce on lamb. There has got to be a cut off point to this ****, and I mean like now.
You enjoy a peculiar high ground which is morally very low.

[andy.s]

Actually Andy,there is quite a bit of factual information that Ap researched and that is included in The Myth,the entirety of which is freely available here on Casebook thanks to the generosity of Ap .
After I had read "The Myth" I then took the trouble a few years ago to go twice to read for myself the material from these 1894 Sun Newspaper articles ,contemporary with the Ripper and to which AP Wolf both drew attention , back in 1992, and also analysed from the point of view of their likely credibility and then drew on, to base his contention that Thomas Cutbush may well have been the Ripper.
I spent some considerable time at Colindale Newspaper Library and in the meantime Chris Scott very kindly transcribed this important series of articles from copies of the archived Sun Newspaper series that I sent him so that these too are now available on Casebook.
I also took the trouble to find out a little about The Sun Newspaper of 1894 at this time ,and discovered from several sources , that it was quite a serious and well regarded National Newspaper that ranked very closely with the Daily Telegraph of 1894 in readership and respectability, its colourful and sometimes melodramatic Victorian phrasing belying the seriousness of its subject matter.Furthermore, the publication of these February 1894 articles preceeded Sir Melville Macnaghten"s report by only days,suggesting that Scotland Yard and possibly the Government were quite uneasy about any likely repercussions.

To be honest, I find it difficult to reconcile your stance regarding "evidence" Andy.What "evidence" do you have for writing articles implying a young barrister/teacher, whose great love in life was cricket and helping to run Blackheath Cricket club was Jack the Ripper?Apart from the fact he got into some sort of trouble at the boys school he taught at and drowned himself in 1888 ? A man who hadnt even been to Whitechapel ---that we know of with any certainty---- and who had no known conviction or arrest of any kind, still less using a knife on women in the open air ?
Sir Melville Macnaghten certainly didnt bother getting his FACTS straight for one,in his famous reports, while being perfectly prepared to incriminate, in writing,by suggestion, a depressed young man----who to date anyway and from all appearances was totally innocent.

You know what regard I hold for your sincerity Andy,I am not meaning here to hold that in any doubt, but I did carry out quite a bit of research of my own into Thomas Cutbush and the book AP Wolf wrote on the matter,so I am a bit taken aback about the amount of vitriol that has been posted about AP and his work lately.

Best Wishes

Norma

I will have to come clean and admit i have never in my life written an article about druitt, i also have no idea about the regard you hold my sincerity in..cos i have no idea who the bloody hell you are, and am intent on keeping it that way.
Although if you do want to chat about cricket ive played the game for many years...to an half decent standard as most yorkshire folk do....but have never faced a googly from anyone called Druitt..and if i had i would never write a bloody article about it........

[Ally]

You claimed that Phil hutchinson misplaced the background in a photo when he photoshopped it. You were told to provide evidence or withdraw it.

I claim you faked a story. Here is my evidence:

1. There are no identifying details in the story.
2. Several GErmans have now said that they have researched the case in Bochum and have found absolutely no trace whatsoever of this story.
3. You were given a chance to provide a single detail to verify your story and failed to do it. Both times.
4. A case of this nature, would no doubt be readily available on a simple google search since it was publicized at the time.

The onus was to provide evidence of the claim. I have done so. You have not.

I don't make random accusations based on whim. You made an accusation based on a photo you haven't even seen and totally failed to provide a single shred of supporting evidence.

I have made an accusation based on a story that I researched, that others have researched and all have come up empty.

Attempting to weight the two accusations as equal, is yet another cheap, distracting tactic.

I have provided my evidence. You have not. That was all that was required of you when you made your claim.

But as usual, you think you can just make wild claims and they should just be believed because you are AP Wolf. You don't feel the need to provide evidence.

I have provided my evidence. Please feel free to refute it. You have that full option.

I have also said that I will completely and fully withdraw my statement should I be proven wrong.

That's more than you have ever been willing to do. And I stand by that.

[andy.s]

Erm, Nats, I think you're confusing Andy.S (who professes to be rather new to all this) with Andy Spallek?

Profess?..as in pretends...mate i am totally new to all this...although i find it highly amusing watchin' most of you "ripperologists " run about either contradicting each other or crawlin' up each others fundaments...it seems any bugger can grasp a suspect out of the slum and hypothesise a decent arguement as to why he was the one who eviscerated some poor unfortunates...don't give me profess mate....i find it extremely interesting, and if i knew more about it i would gladly share it with the rest of you, but i reckon...in the case of jack the ripper, your tyro like myself has just as many points to make as the experts who don't seem to know their arses from their leather aprons

[Natalie Severn]

Ally and John,
Yes damn it!...my apologies to Andy s-----I did think you were Andy Spallek!

Thankyou both for pointing this out---
---I am particularly sorry for mistakenly taking my dear friend Andy Spallek to task here as a result,though I cant honestly say Andy that what I said about Druitt wasnt what I actually believe to be the case these days!
BTW Ally,- I do ofcourse accept the need for verification of source material
Best
Norma

[Cap'n Jack]

But you have never been to Bochum, or Essen, Ally, and I have.

[John Bennett]

Profess?..as in pretends...mate i am totally new to all this...although i find it highly amusing watchin' most of you "ripperologists " run about either contradicting each other or crawlin' up each others fundaments...it seems any bugger can grasp a suspect out of the slum and hypothesise a decent arguement as to why he was the one who eviscerated some poor unfortunates...don't give me profess mate....i find it extremely interesting, and if i knew more about it i would gladly share it with the rest of you, but i reckon...in the case of jack the ripper, your tyro like myself has just as many points to make as the experts who don't seem to know their arses from their leather aprons

I obviously chose the wrong word there. You said in previous posts that you were new to this thing. My post was merely to mention to Nats that she appeared to have confused you with someone else who is known for his work on Druitt.

I hope I didn't cause offense!

JB

[Natalie Severn]

Profess?..as in pretends...mate i am totally new to all this...although i find it highly amusing watchin' most of you "ripperologists " run about either contradicting each other or crawlin' up each others fundaments...it seems any bugger can grasp a suspect out of the slum and hypothesise a decent arguement as to why he was the one who eviscerated some poor unfortunates...don't give me profess mate....i find it extremely interesting, and if i knew more about it i would gladly share it with the rest of you, but i reckon...in the case of jack the ripper, your tyro like myself has just as many points to make as the experts who don't seem to know their arses from their leather aprons

Well you dont seem to know whether you are on your arse or your elbow either mate!

[Ally]

Hi AP,

This is my last and final post on the matter, because it is futile and going nowhere. No I've never been to Bochum, but there are those who have and those who live in Essen and they can't find this story either.

If at any time evidence emerges that proves this story true, I will return here and withdraw my statements.

Until then, I believe I have satisfactorily proved my case.

Bye everyone.

[andy.s]

I obviously chose the wrong word there. You said in previous posts that you were new to this thing. My post was merely to mention to Nats that she appeared to have confused you with someone else who is known for his work on Druitt.

I hope I didn't cause offense!

JB

Absolutely no offense taken John...i'm finding the whole website absolutely enthralling...and any road up, i never take offense over the internet...it leaves hardly any bruises

[andy.s]

Well you dont seem to know whether you are on your arse or your elbow either mate!

but whether on arse or elbow i am in the unique position of knowing who is who...a position you seem to have a little trouble with...........