Common Criticism for Ripper Media

[Celesta]

I agree, John, about the mini-series. The best thing about that, for me, was Michael Caine, an actor I like.


Mycroft, that's the situation, people wanting a conclusive answer. It's human nature. A lot of people want things tidied up.

[spyglass]

hi all!
From Hell the graphic novel, is a superbly detailed and correct piece of work ( ok forget the conspiracy plot, although still enjoyable ) Both ALAN MOORE and EDDIE CAMPBELL have constructed a fine piece of work, highly detailed and mostly correct in showing the scenes based on fact.
I also highly reccomend PAUL GEARYS JACK THE RIPPER, some of the finest art work on the case I have seen in his own unique way.

[bolo]

Hi Red, all,

the position of Mary Kelly's bed seems to be a constant issue, then there are the street names, timelines, character portrayal, etc. In short, I have yet to see an accurate adaption of the JtR case for the stage or silver screen that is not yet another rehash of the Royal Conspiracy theory and closely sticks to the facts. It's high time to bury that nonsense once and for all which has spoilt so many people.

Regards,

Boris

[Mycroft]

I think that it would be good if a JtR film was made that was as close to the known facts as possible, as a docu-drama if you like. The obvious problem being that audiences want a conclusive answer, which they would not get.

[John Bennett]

I have to say that I can't handle the Michael Caine JTR one. I know of several people who were turned onto the subject after seeing it, but at the time, I had been interested in the case for over 10 years and was looking forward to it. When it was broadcast, I was sitting expectantly in my bedsit (I was at university at the time) and after episode #1 thought:

* Oh no, not the bloody Royal conspiracy...
* Oh dear, Abberline is a drunk.
* What's wrong with George Lusk? Is he totally barking?
* Mr Lees - get a grip.
* Why does everybody keep shouting?

I saw it again last year and couldn't finish it.

JB (with apologies to Mr. Caine et al)

[Adam Went]

Hey Red,

Yes they are all annoying, but I think particularly are some of the romanticized versions of the East End in 1888 that these media forms carry. If you watch the 1988 JTR mini-series, just as one example, you will see that the streets and buildings are largely clean and orderly - you could almost eat your dinner off the footpaths that they depicted. When this was just not the case, as well all know - it was a dirty, grimy area filled with vice and filth from humans and animals alike.

Yet the mini-series isn't alone, this has happened many different times....

George Lusk is usually portrayed as some sort of trouble-making, fame-seeking, gangster wannabe as well....which is more than a little inaccurate.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Celesta]

Hi Red,

Actually, all the above covers the things that annoy me, as well. That and just out and out mistakes, due to sloppy research, or the interference of some producers, etc., who are more interested in getting high ratings than presenting history. I'd like to see a straightforward movie that sticks to what's known. Sometimes, I get the sense that what really happened doesn't pass muster in the excitement department so that the story has to be dramatized to make it more exciting. I doubt many people realize how much drama was actually involved in the real events, because they're fed conspiracies or other fantastic plot lines and don't know the real story, or what we know of it.

[kensei]

Hello Madam Red, so sorry you had no replies to this post all month. I just noticed it myself. I agree with you about how movies have treated the Ripper's victims. In fact they have ignored the facts entirely and completely fictionalized them as characters without exception. Liz Stride is never Swedish. Kate and Mary Jane are never shown to have "significant others" in their lives who they live with. Never a mention of how ill Annie was, or an inclusion of Polly's wonderful quote about her "jolly bonnet." Nothing about the numerous children that four of the five had either given birth to or lost. And always for some reason a need to depict them as a group of friends who knew each other well, which has no truth to it whatsoever even if a few of them MAY have crossed paths on occasion. I think it's inexcusable to take real women who died in so horrible a manner just a little more than one maximum human lifetime ago and turn them into fictional characters.

I hope against hope for a really accurate Ripper movie some day, one which would ignore the Royal Conspiracy entirely and include suspects like George Chapman, James Kelly and William Bury. What great characters they would make!

[Madam Red]

What are some mistakes that you commonly see in movies, television shows, comicbooks, and novels about Jack the Ripper, his victims, or Victorian London?


For instance...

I have always had a problem with how they depict the murderer as a shadowy figure, with long cape and top hat, carrying a leatherbag full of knives and extensive medical knowledge.

I doubt he would've dressed like that, he would've gained too much attention. More likely, he disguised himself in unassuming clothes and mixed in with the crowd quite well. Maybe he struck up a long, humorous conversation with a friend at the bar before heading out to find a prostitute and murder her.

Another issue I have is how little the focus is on the Ripper's victims. The lives they lead and the personalities they had are never really the center of the plot, usually it's some related sidestory that is given prominence. The whole "Detective versus Notorious Villian," I guess, where the victims are treated as merely pieces of the puzzle. Sometimes the real names aren't used in these films, other times their identities and backgrounds are changed to fiction. The whole point of the case was that five (maybe more) women were murdered and the killer was never caught, but the entertainers seem to care more about the "whodonnit" aspect.

Also, I would like to see more atmospheric treatment about the United Kingdom and the East End at this time. "From Hell" was wonderfully accurate in terms of the clothes, the crime scenes, and the immediate area. But I think it would also be as interesting to include scenes of the workhouses, the docks, etc. There are also a wealth of culture and strange occupations that you don't see anymore, such as the night-soil men, because of the improvement of society. If you read the first chapter of "The Ghost Map: The Story of London's Most Terrifying Epidemic--and How It Changed Science, Cities, and the Modern World" by Steven Johnson, you'll get what I mean.

Finally, I'm tired of the same theories being used over and over again. Especially after researching deeper into the case, the movies that rely on the whole Royal Conspiracy theory become far less enjoyable. Can't they come up with new material? I would love to experience a film where the culprit is an American quack doctor, a sailor/soldier on leave, an escape insane inmate, a homeless local, or a religious fanatic. What about the era's rise in women's rights and the brutal backlash against it, wouldn't that make good source material? I'm hoping for some creativity in future Ripper films.


Thank you, especially if you read my entire rant.

What are your thoughts?