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  • APerno
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    In search of something good to watch

    Does anyone have an opinion as to what are the best 60-90 minute Ripper documentaries available? Does anyone have a favorite?

  • APerno
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    Originally posted by YomRippur View Post

    If it was from Netflix or Hulu then it was not free. You already paid for the streaming, and you were allowed to download for offline viewing. If it self-destructs you can download it again.
    Yea you are right - it was Hulu; I did pay indirectly ... the graphic recreations were wonderful brought to life the murder scenes/19th century London, the narrative wasn't really anything new.

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  • YomRippur
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    Originally posted by APerno View Post

    I downloaded for free, but it was not an illegal boot, I got a good HD copy from one of the streaming services (I just can't remember which one: Netflix or Hulu, or something). It was strange, I downloaded it, and it stayed on my device for two weeks before I got around to watching it, but once I started to watch it, it warned me I had to complete the watch within 72 hours and then it self destructed (erased itself.)
    If it was from Netflix or Hulu then it was not free. You already paid for the streaming, and you were allowed to download for offline viewing. If it self-destructs you can download it again.

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  • APerno
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    They probably already have it, they're just not telling us about it. When I was a kid they promised by the year 2000 we would have flying cars, now I am pretty sure General Motors is hiding all of them on an island somewhere in the Pacific; retooling is expensive, you'll be cutting into profits; Rumbelow is probably the guy stopping it from getting out.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    I'm still waiting for the augmented reality tour to become a thing, where everyone holds up their phone to see VR recreations of the victorian street superimposed on the modern site. I'm pretty sure I suggested it years ago, why is it taking so long?

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  • APerno
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Apparently thereís a ripper exhibit in Tussaudís Horror Room but Iíve never been because you can die of malnutrition and dehydration waiting in the enormous queues that are always outside. I did go to the London Dungeon a few years ago and the Ripper exhibition though. Thereís also the Ripper Museum where you can go and see photographs of random Victorian women that are claimed as the victims of Jack.

    The Ripper Walks vary from guide to guide. Some are just pretty much reciting a script and a slightly Ďtrickyí question can often leave them floundering. Iíve been on around 8 or 9 when friends have wanted to go and unsurprisingly I found found Don Rumbelow the best. The last one I went on was with author and co-author with Paul Begg John Bennett. He was very good. Unfortunately you only really visit one murder site now and thatís changed almost beyond recognition.

    Someone should do a CGI Ripper Tour.
    Yes on the CGI, I loved the recreations of the murder sites in that recent documentary; on one of the tours we did, I believe (but not sure) I could see Rmbelow's group gathering in a different section of Mitre Square. I thought damn that's the one I want, but we were with EF Tours and they arrange the tours based on what is best for their economics and I suspect our guy came a lot cheaper than Rumbelow.)

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by APerno View Post
    I am a retired school teacher; I took my students (or I should say they took me) to Europe several times. Three different times we did the Ripper tour in London. One time, and I was shocked that it was as late as 2008, the tour guide was still selling the kids on Sir William Gull, and the Royal Conspiracy theory. I had to be polite and keep my mouth shut, didn't want to act the ugly American. The other two experiences were much better.

    P.S. You know that horror house thing they have (or had) down by The Tower Bridge, boy did that suck! But of course the kids liked it. I tried to get the kids to go instead to Madam Tussauds' Wax Museum, but they wanted the horror house instead. I never did get to see the wax museum, I hear they have a JTR Room, Is that true?
    Apparently thereís a ripper exhibit in Tussaudís Horror Room but Iíve never been because you can die of malnutrition and dehydration waiting in the enormous queues that are always outside. I did go to the London Dungeon a few years ago and the Ripper exhibition though. Thereís also the Ripper Museum where you can go and see photographs of random Victorian women that are claimed as the victims of Jack.

    The Ripper Walks vary from guide to guide. Some are just pretty much reciting a script and a slightly Ďtrickyí question can often leave them floundering. Iíve been on around 8 or 9 when friends have wanted to go and unsurprisingly I found found Don Rumbelow the best. The last one I went on was with author and co-author with Paul Begg John Bennett. He was very good. Unfortunately you only really visit one murder site now and thatís changed almost beyond recognition.

    Someone should do a CGI Ripper Tour.

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  • bjgourley
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    The crazy theories are just that, crazy. But think of how many of us got hooked by the crazy theories, and then saw the proverbial light. I'm sure there are people who read Patricia Cornwell's book only to realize it was just a spin-off of Knight, but delved deeper and realized there's much more to it.

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  • APerno
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    I am a retired school teacher; I took my students (or I should say they took me) to Europe several times. Three different times we did the Ripper tour in London. One time, and I was shocked that it was as late as 2008, the tour guide was still selling the kids on Sir William Gull, and the Royal Conspiracy theory. I had to be polite and keep my mouth shut, didn't want to act the ugly American. The other two experiences were much better.

    P.S. You know that horror house thing they have (or had) down by The Tower Bridge, boy did that suck! But of course the kids liked it. I tried to get the kids to go instead to Madam Tussauds' Wax Museum, but they wanted the horror house instead. I never did get to see the wax museum, I hear they have a JTR Room, Is that true?

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    I have well over 300 books on the case but I have to admit that the one that I enjoyed reading the most all those years ago was Knightís book. Itís still the version of events that I wish was true. I know that one day, if Iím short of reading material, Iíll read it again. He did open a can of worms though. Simon Woodís research completely trashed the theory but there are still believers out there.

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  • Stephen Lee
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    Good points APerno. We also wouldn't have a great graphic novel like From Hell, or a great film in Murder By Decree. Maybe Stephen Knight did more good than harm.
    To this day ask someone who has little interest in the Ripper who did it. And they'll only know Walter Sickert, or The Royal Conspiracy due to the From Hell film and the Michael Caine mini-series.
    It's kept the case to some extent in the public eye. Always a good thing in case there is some long lost papers in someones attic.

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  • APerno
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    I taped that back in the 1980s; was just then getting into the Ripper murders, watched it over and over until I knew every detail of it backward and forward. I could say I was embittered when I realized that Stephen Knight had played me, played us all for fools, but despite the fact that Knight took many of us down the rabbit hole of the Royal Conspiracy Theory IMHO we should also remember that he helped to bring back the Ripper murders to a whole new generation, and with it much "Hollywood' money; and money always counts.

    While Begg, Fido, and Sugden are quick to bemoan how Knight spread so much misinformation (and God knows he did) I wonder how well their works (histories) would have sold had there been no Royal Conspiracy to debunk?

    I wonder, if Stephen Knight had not kicked off another round of Ripper enthusiasm with his 1976 book, The Final Solution, would there even be a Casebook today? I know it is vogue to hate Stephen Knight for clouding the waters with his nonsensical theory, but maybe we should also give him a small nod of thanks for bringing us here today.

    I suspect my words just made more than a few purists cringe.

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  • bjgourley
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    Jack the Ripper:The Final Solution from 1980. several decent copies on YouTube. They can't get the names of the victims right, it's obviously been debunked for the most part. But still an interesting watch.

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  • bjgourley
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Barlow and Watt: Jack the Ripper is a part-fictionalised, part-historical serial from the early 1970s, but has some excellent performances and good attention to period detail. A lot of the contemporary characters' words come from newspaper/inquest reports etc. Well worth watching.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffMg...LMcydcUICysFbV

    That's fairly poor quality, but at least it's in colour. Here's a slightly better rendition in black and white:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYGm...oSQbLxZY0-WLH2
    Love the Barlow and Watt, got me slightly interested in ZCars for a spell.

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  • APerno
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    Originally posted by YomRippur View Post
    And if anyone wants to watch "Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Story" legally, you can the buy the HD streaming version here on Amazon for only $2.99. It has subtitles, has better HD picture, and you own it forever, unlike the quasi-legal Youtube version that could be taken down at any time.
    I downloaded for free, but it was not an illegal boot, I got a good HD copy from one of the streaming services (I just can't remember which one: Netflix or Hulu, or something). It was strange, I downloaded it, and it stayed on my device for two weeks before I got around to watching it, but once I started to watch it, it warned me I had to complete the watch within 72 hours and then it self destructed (erased itself.)

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