American Ripper - TV documentary series

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor,
Straight in with the rudeness, I see.

How do you know the experts who appeared on the show know who they are?

I haven’t seen anyone who’s watched the show be critical of any Ripper authorities, so I’m not sure they know who you ae talking about either.

Yes you are into character assassination. What do you think writing, “And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours” is? It's character assassination. Quite a few authorities appeared on the television programme and you are leaving your allegation hanging over all of them. It is therefore only fair that you be asked to be specific about who you mean and why you think their appearance hasn’t done Ripperology any favours. At least those people would then have the opportunity fess up, explain themselves, or possibly even refute your allegation.

What I wrote did not name any names. So how can that be classed as character assassination, and I am my own master, I do and say what I want not, what you tell me to do. I am entitled to my own opinion as is everyone else, and if that doesn't sit well with you then thats tough.

If you haven't seen all the episodes then I would suggest you take time to view them all, then you will no doubt have the answers to your own questions

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[PaulB]

No names. no pack drill, they know who they are, as do all those who watched it. I am afraid I am not like you, I am not into character assassinations.

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Trevor,
Straight in with the rudeness, I see.

How do you know the experts who appeared on the show know who they are?

I haven’t seen anyone who’s watched the show be critical of any Ripper authorities, so I’m not sure they know who you ae talking about either.

Yes you are into character assassination. What do you think writing, “And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours” is? It's character assassination. Quite a few authorities appeared on the television programme and you are leaving your allegation hanging over all of them. It is therefore only fair that you be asked to be specific about who you mean and why you think their appearance hasn’t done Ripperology any favours. At least those people would then have the opportunity fess up, explain themselves, or possibly even refute your allegation.

[Trevor Marriott]

I don't know, Trevor. Did they? Who are you talking about? What misleading information did "they" present? How did it do their reputation or the reputation of Ripperology no good? I haven't had the opportunity to watch the whole series, so I'm wondering what I should watch for that led you to be critical of Ripper authorities and specifically which ones you meant.

No names. no pack drill, they know who they are, as do all those who watched it. I am afraid I am not like you, I am not into character assassinations.

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[PaulB]

No, but some presented misleading Ripper facts didnt they ?

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I don't know, Trevor. Did they? Who are you talking about? What misleading information did "they" present? How did it do their reputation or the reputation of Ripperology no good? I haven't had the opportunity to watch the whole series, so I'm wondering what I should watch for that led you to be critical of Ripper authorities and specifically which ones you meant.

[peg&pie]

I got the impression the interviews with noted ripperologists were heavily edited to seem more favourable, or at least not completely destructive to their theory's.

What's with digging up the 1872 fake picture of Eddowes and claiming it to be authentic. Did I miss something a while back ?

You need to watch this series with a clear understanding of it's intent. That is entertainment. I can watch it on that level. If you try to take it seriously your blood will boil!

[Pcdunn]

I got caught up with the final episode tonight. Holmes' grave was exhumed and proved to be quite a puzzle box (almost an "Oak Island" treasure hunt), with two false caskets buried atop the real one containing the murderer's body.
Aside here-- given what Holmes knew of the body-snatching game and insurance hoaxes, I can definitely see him leaving detailed instructions for his burial, as well as the cash to secure they were followed.
DNA tests matched Mudgett, so we know Holmes did die at the end of a rope, and wasn't responsible for the so-called "Holmes curse" nor other Ripper-like killings.

Mudgett, however, is still hoping for the JtR angle. I foresee a second season , alas.

[Trevor Marriott]

Who do you have in mind? Did anyone endorse H.H. Holmes as the Ripper?

No, but some presented misleading Ripper facts didnt they ?

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[Herlock Sholmes]

I've watched 3 episodes so far, all late at night so I did 'nod off' for a few seconds. I saw Stewart Evans who didn't endorse Holmes but just gave the benefit of his knowledge. If Paul was in it I may have missed it or it's in a later episode?

Not exactly unbiased are they?

Holmes possibly 'mistaken' for Tumblety!

Americanisms in the letters but no mention that most people (even senior police officers at the time) believe them to be hoaxes!

Holmes pseudonyms on ships manifests when it would be more surprising if those names couldn't be found!

It all smacks of desperation to me.

[PaulB]

And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours

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Who do you have in mind? Did anyone endorse H.H. Holmes as the Ripper?

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi CD and herlock.
I've tried to watch but can't. These type of shows literally upset my stomach. Another fake "documentary". Makes me ill.

The fake drama facial shots and pregnant pauses. Oooooo....something very dramatic is happening. Lol!

The fake drama set pieces, like looking at radar of underwater objects. Yeah your really going to find one of his victims. What a joke.

The stupid misleading and ambiguous "evidence". Like the letters.

Speaking of letters and joke suspects. I was in the library and picked up Cornwalls book on sickert. I stopped reading about 20 pages in when she started saying that most of the hoax ripper letters are authentic and literally tossed it across the room in the trash can. And like the true garbage that it is it went right into the can like it knew where it belonged.its still there. I'm seriously thinking of leaving it there and paying the lost book fee, as I can't stomach the thought of having it back in circulation. It doesn't deserve to be on a library shelf.

Sickert, HH Holmes, Maybrick. Garbage.

And some of the Ripperologists used in this debacle, have also not done themselves, or ripperology any favours

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[dixon9]

just finished watching ep3,how on earth do they believe Holmes was even anything like JtR?

[Pcdunn]

I checked out of this show long ago. Right now I'm looking forward to Scorsese and DiCaprio's upcoming pic on H.H. Holmes, which will be a film adaptation of "The Devil and the White City." But The latest news says it may take a while. I wish them best. Scorsese's last pic did not do well. Hope his next few films will do well so that he will get to make "The Devil and the White City."

Thanks for the link, YomRippur. I wasn't aware of this film project, and will join you in looking forward to it. I found the book great reading.

[YomRippur]

I checked out of this show long ago. Right now I'm looking forward to Scorsese and DiCaprio's upcoming pic on H.H. Holmes, which will be a film adaptation of "The Devil and the White City." But The latest news says it may take a while. I wish them best. Scorsese's last pic did not do well. Hope his next few films will do well so that he will get to make "The Devil and the White City."

[Dr. John Watson]

Totally agree, Abby. In his own right, Holmes was a fascinating psychopath: What other serial killer had his own building, designed specifically for luring, trapping, killing and disposing of human beings - all without ever having to go outside? But he had nothing whatever in common with JTR besides "operating" during roughly the same time period. The main fault with American documentaries is that they're produced strictly for entertainment value and as a marketing venue. Brits do it far better. Your "garbage" list is right on the money, but short just a few names.

Dr. John

[c.d.]

Hello Abby,

True. But on the other hand I think Amaryllis is kind of cute although I would like to see her fix herself up a little. Yes. Yes. I am shallow.

c.d.