Morris Lewis Revisited

[John G]

How can you or I possibly speculate as to what her motivations might have been? If she was bringing a man home then surely the answer is yes. I mean, you think she might have lit a fire in the night when she would have been wrapped up in her bed but not the morning?! It's way too much guessing about what she may or may not have done based on zero evdience.

Hello David,

I disagree. At night time it would presumably have been significantly colder than mid morning. Moreover, I think it reasonable to postulate that she would have been intending to spend far less time in her room mid-morning than, say, at night time-even if she felt ill or had a hangover. It's also worth emphasizing that, for someone in such reduced circumstances, and seriously behind on the rent, a fire would no doubt have been something of an extravagance.

[David Orsam]

No problem. An error made by the police does not erase the errors made by reporters.

No it doesn't but what is the significance of errors made by the police or by reporters? According to your logic, if the police made an error when taking the statement of Lewis then no other statement taken by the police is reliable. Isn't that so?

And it's interesting that you are say that it's an error by the police. While I agree that this is most likely, how do you know that Sarah Lewis herself didn't make a mistake and say "24" when she meant "34" or vice versa? People do jumble their words or numbers sometimes you know.

[John G]

John,

What do you think the probability is that you will get an answer to your reasonable question?

Indeed what is the possibility that you may get an Answer?



steve

Hi Steve,

I would attach a very low probability to this proposition.

[David Orsam]

I did not blame you, David.

That is most gracious of you Pierre.

[Simon Wood]

Bonjour Pierre,

What is were to be found?

Everything in my post is to be found in the newspaper reports and inquest testimony.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Hi David,

I'm certain that in your inimitable style you'll work it out for yourself.

Before I waste my time Simon, I would suggest you first compare the account of Sarah Lewis with the reported account of Mrs Kennedy in the Evening Post which can be found here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8685

Or you can use the Star of 10 November or LWN of 11 November if you prefer.

What I believe you will find is that the two accounts are consistent save for the bit about Kennedy staying with her parents. But that can easily be explained by a simple misunderstanding between the reporter and Kennedy during the interview.

If you do that, then I really don't need to bother tracking down another version of Kennedy's story which happens to be slightly different to the version of her story published in the Evening Post.

It's all there to be found Simon.

[Pierre]

I think I was very clear in my post Pierre. I said (with highlighting added):

"any inconsistencies in her reported story and the story she told the police and the coroner might just be due to her own memory and changes she made to her story. Just like Prater first said she heard two or three screams of murder in her statement then changed it just one. Remember that? I also give you some examples of inconsistencies between Lewis' statement and her oral evidence in the coroner's court:"

So I was clearly talking about Lewis' statement to the police as opposed to her "interview" with the Evening Post representative. Fine, you misunderstood and thankfully you accept that, but please don't blame me for your misunderstanding.

I did not blame you, David. I said the word "better". That word is just above the category "good" in the ordinal scale. And just one level from "best"!

[Pierre]

Hi David,

I'm certain that in your inimitable style you'll work it out for yourself.

It's all there to be found.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

What is were to be found?

Regards, Pierre

[David Orsam]

That is good, David. And therefore it is better if you give clear references.

I think I was very clear in my post Pierre. I said (with highlighting added):

"any inconsistencies in her reported story and the story she told the police and the coroner might just be due to her own memory and changes she made to her story. Just like Prater first said she heard two or three screams of murder in her statement then changed it just one. Remember that? I also give you some examples of inconsistencies between Lewis' statement and her oral evidence in the coroner's court:"

So I was clearly talking about Lewis' statement to the police as opposed to her "interview" with the Evening Post representative. Fine, you misunderstood and thankfully you accept that, but please don't blame me for your misunderstanding.

[Pierre]

How can you or I possibly speculate as to what her motivations might have been? If she was bringing a man home then surely the answer is yes. I mean, you think she might have lit a fire in the night when she would have been wrapped up in her bed but not the morning?! It's way too much guessing about what she may or may not have done based on zero evdience.

I agree.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Thanks, GUT, I wasn't intending to!

John,

What do you think the probability is that you will get an answer to your reasonable question?

Indeed what is the possibility that you may get an Answer?



steve

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

I'm certain that in your inimitable style you'll work it out for yourself.

It's all there to be found.

Regards,

Simon

[Pierre]

Hi Simon,

How wonderful for you to join this thread.

I have looked carefully at your list of at what is presumably supposed to highlight differences between the accounts of Sarah Lewis and Mrs Kennedy designed to show they are different people (although, of course, you do not say this is what you think).

I have three problems with the list:

1. I cannot find the source of most of what you attribute to Mrs Kennedy. The only published accounts I am personally aware of are found in the Evening Post of 10 November (repeated in other newspapers) and if you compare what she said in that newspaper with the evidence of Sarah Lewis, the accounts are broadly consistent. To the extent that you have found a report in which Mrs Kennedy gives different information, this only shows her being inconsistent herself, but could you please identify the source?

2. Even in what you have posted, most of Kennedy's account seems to be consistent with the account of Sarah Lewis.

Yes, this is, as I have said, the correct interpretation.

3. The stuff you have posted about Hutchinson only serves to confuse and is irrelevant.

Having compared the account of Mrs Kennedy from the Evening Post and that of Sarah Lewis I have no doubt whatsoever that it's the same person.

Regards, Pierre

[David Orsam]

But why the need for light after 10:00am? And would a poor person like Kelly, several weeks behind on the rent, really go to the trouble and expense of a fire so late in the morning? Surely this would have been regarded as an unnecessary extravagance?

In fact, if Maxwell and Lewis are to be believed she wasn't even home for most of the morning. However, I accept she may have returned to, say, sleep of a hangover. But, in such circumstances, is it likely she would have been motivated to start a fire?

How can you or I possibly speculate as to what her motivations might have been? If she was bringing a man home then surely the answer is yes. I mean, you think she might have lit a fire in the night when she would have been wrapped up in her bed but not the morning?! It's way too much guessing about what she may or may not have done based on zero evdience.

[David Orsam]

Hi David,

Good for you.

Regards,

Simon

You are not going to give me your source for the statements you attribute to Mrs Kennedy?