Bowyer´s inquest testimony

[Elamarna]

Pierre

PLEASE listen

what does looking at a plan do?, yes the throat was cut by the wall, i note you accept that part of the testimony.

Phillips said: the table was on the left hand side of the bed, and the bed was against the partition wall.

That is nothing like your drawing.

He did not say the body had been "removed", he said that the death cut had taken place with the body on the left hand side of the bed and then moved, not removed across to the centre/right hand side.

he never said the bed was moved, , he said the body was repositioned on the bed after death.
I do not mean to be rude, but moved and removed are not the same


I note you say you think the bed was moved, I ask you yet again, what evidence do you have for this? please don't quote MJK3 that is a circular argument, which you cannot prove.

Phillips gave a sworn statement, why do you continue to dispute it? no let me make this really easy a yes or no answer will do.

Phillips said when the door was open the bed was close against the partition wall!!!

DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT HE DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH? (I DON'T MEAN A FEELING YOU HAVE)

[Robert St Devil]

The only reason you can't "entirely resolve" your hypothetical, Robert St Devil, is because you are ignoring the evidence in the case (just like Pierre, it has to be said). The evidence as to the layout of the furniture was given at the inquest by Dr Phillips and Inspector Abberline. But you seem to think they might have been lying. Both men also explained, in sworn testimonty, why they did not enter the room immediately but waited for the bloodhounds. But again you seem to think they might have been lying.

You are also being sucked into Pierre's mad world where the coroner was given secret information prior to the start of the inquest which he supressed and concealed from his jury but, at the same time, casually let slip his knowledge of that secret information by a question he asked Elizabeth Prater.

Of course, if you start to believe such crazy conspiracies and cover-ups are possible then you will develop all sorts of hypotheses that you will never be able to "entirely resolve" but if you stick with the evidence in the case then you will realise that the notion of the door being barricaded is sheer fantasy.

MR ORSAN
The aspect that i cant resolve is the mattress in mjk3. Y'see, in mjk3, her body (ie. her hip/leg) seems to be directly beside the table. However, according to mjk1, her body looks to be 'a foot or so' away from the edge of the table. Its trying to compensate for this spatial(?) illusion that makes mjk3 difficult to understand. Had the photog captured the edge of the matress in the photo, we'd be having an entirely different conversation.

Elamarna believes the table isnt in front of the door from the angle i proposed. That is enough to resolve my hypothetical.

I have agreed with your stance on this thread re: abberline. Its best not to confuse 'not catching Jack the Ripper' with 'being Jack the Ripper'.

[Pierre]

Hi Elamarna,

You can read Phillips testimony again and look at this plan.

Phillips also said the body had been removed after death. I agree and I also think the bed was removed. So Phillips did not need to lie.

Regards Pierre

Oh, I forgot:

[Pierre]

Pierre

On MJK1 we may well be,
However, the sworn testimony of Bowyer who said the table was in front of the bed, which it is in MJK1 when viewed from where the small window would be and Phillips who said the table was on the left hand side of the bed, which was itself against the partition wall support the image as seen.

If we do not have the original plates, we need supporting evidence, be that sworn statements or press reports

We have no such support for MJK3 that is my point.

Hi Elamarna,

You can read Phillips testimony again and look at this plan.

Phillips also said the body had been removed after death. I agree and I also think the bed was removed. So Phillips did not need to lie.

Regards Pierre

[Pierre]

Is 'foot' the metric of neasurement?

I use meters and centimeters.

Regards Pierre

[Robert St Devil]

Im showing my ignorance of the English measurement system, Sam. I do know the foot symbol. Ive just always been under the impression that everything outside of the states was metric.
Ive been using the No. 13 Millers court photo to get an idea of the length of the room by using the height of the door (6 - 7') as the scale.

[Sam Flynn]

I thought everyone in England was familiar with feet and inches?

I don't think Robert St Devil and PC Dunn are from England, Jon - or anywhere else in Britain for that matter. That said, I thought they were from the US & A, where Imperial measures still hold their own against the new-fangled metric ideology of the 18th Century.

I'm intrigued...

[Wickerman]

I thought everyone in England was familiar with feet and inches?
Wow, things must have changed since I was a kid.

[Sam Flynn]

Is 'foot' the metric of neasurement?

It was a unit of measurement in the old "Imperial" system, Robert. One foot - you'll see it written as 1’ or 1ft - is approximately 30.5 centimetres.

[Pcdunn]

Is 'foot' the metric of neasurement?

The map does show the "foot" marker after 25-- so I would say yes.

[Robert St Devil]

Is 'foot' the metric of neasurement?

[Pierre]

Pierre,

those calculations would seem ok.

Can i just ask where you get the 25ft from, is that on the map or are you using another source?
Just not seen the map. so asking for information

elamarna

Hi,

here it is. 25ft is on the right.

Regards Pierre

[Sam Flynn]

This book would probably be very helpful. Unfortunately it seems a bit hard to get hold of nowadays.

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...rstphotos.html

Agreed, Robert. It's a great book.

[Robert]

This book would probably be very helpful. Unfortunately it seems a bit hard to get hold of nowadays.

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/firstphotos.html

[Robert St Devil]

Thats on me, Sam. The line pointing out her pelvis doesnt end where the '7' is. There were too many lines in the pelvis/hand area, so i drew a line up from the '7' to where her pelvis is. Where the '7' is would be around her knee, i agree.