Packer and Schwartz

[S.Brett]

If BSM was on the pavement he would have been looking directly at Schwartz when he turned and shouted Lipski...

But as you say a split second.

Most of Schwartz view was from the rear

So the view Schwartz gets could be good...it could be terrible... Its all a matter of how close BSM was to the entrance of Dutfield yard which was very dark

Your guess is as good as mine

Yours Jeff

[S.Brett]

Hi Karsten

I think it reasonable to conclude that Stride was different to the other victims. As you point out she appears to be earlier, she's the only one south of Whitechapel High street, he doesn't mutilate her for what ever reason.

Also, and here I speculate, Jacks usual approach seems to be to ask for business and let the victim take him to the murder spot (Smith possible not) but it might be argued that its a different MO

Not that that worries me there are plenty examples of double events Sally Anne Bowman and Elizabeth Figg being two such

Yours Jeff

I agree, Jeff,

And I think of Emma Smith/Malvina Haynes the same night. But if the Ripper was seen in Church Lane opposite entrance Osborn Street then his way was back to the north side of the High Street. The Cox´s suspect made his way down to the Leman Street and to St. George in the east. Kosminski´s family (Isaac, Matilda, Woolf) lived south of the High Street and so it is possible that the High Street Road was a kind of a barrier. With one exception... for whatever reason...

[Jeff Leahy]

I think you are correct with Holmes...

Yes, Schwartz "had a good view of the murderer"... really? From behind and while he was running away... a good view?

If BSM was on the pavement he would have been looking directly at Schwartz when he turned and shouted Lipski...

But as you say a split second.

Most of Schwartz view was from the rear

So the view Schwartz gets could be good...it could be terrible... Its all a matter of how close BSM was to the entrance of Dutfield yard which was very dark

Your guess is as good as mine

Yours Jeff

[S.Brett]

We do not know how many murderers were on the loose. Maybe, there was another serial killer (Torso murders) and if the Ripper killed the C5 only, there were still the murderers of Smith, Tabram, Mackenzie and Coles.

[Jeff Leahy]

Thank you Abby,

Very small in your opinion but it is not impossible?

I think it is very likely (80:20) that BS Man was the Ripper/her killer but I am not entirely convinced. The Ripper killed Nichols on the pavement, perhaps he attacked Emma Smith "in the middle of the street" and so I think it is possible that he attacked Stride in the same way. The Ripper killed in the morning hours (3-6 am, "Smith", "Tabram", Nichols, Chapman, Kelly) and before 1.00 am (Stride) it was unusual. This early time of day connected Stride and Eddowes (1.35 am) and Eddowes was certainly a victim of Jack the Ripper. Did he not notice the man behind his back (Schwartz)?

Karsten.

Hi Karsten

I think it reasonable to conclude that Stride was different to the other victims. As you point out she appears to be earlier, she's the only one south of Whitechapel High street, he doesn't mutilate her for what ever reason.

Also, and here I speculate, Jacks usual approach seems to be to ask for business and let the victim take him to the murder spot (Smith possible not) but it might be argued that its a different MO

Not that that worries me there are plenty examples of double events Sally Anne Bowman and Elizabeth Figg being two such

Yours Jeff

[S.Brett]

OK but I only really see peak caps and bowlers... What is a dear stalker? I always think of Sherlock Holmes double peak, but I'm not certain that is correct..

And from behind?

Yours Jeff

I think you are correct with Holmes...

Yes, Schwartz "had a good view of the murderer"... really? From behind and while he was running away... a good view?

[S.Brett]

very small IMHO. especially when we also have sightings by marshall, lawende, anon church st sighting, and probably smith. And especially since marsall, smith, Schwartz and lawende also describe the woman as Stride.

Thank you Abby,

Very small in your opinion but it is not impossible?

I think it is very likely (80:20) that BS Man was the Ripper/her killer but I am not entirely convinced. The Ripper killed Nichols on the pavement, perhaps he attacked Emma Smith "in the middle of the street" and so I think it is possible that he attacked Stride in the same way. The Ripper killed in the morning hours (3-6 am, "Smith", "Tabram", Nichols, Chapman, Kelly) and before 1.00 am (Stride) it was unusual. This early time of day connected Stride and Eddowes (1.35 am) and Eddowes was certainly a victim of Jack the Ripper. Did he not notice the man behind his back (Schwartz)?

Karsten.

[Jeff Leahy]

Im sure that Stewart Evans would be thrilled to be considered less than a proper author on these crimes. You would have to be far more informed than you are to be such an improper expert.
:

Foregive me... and there was i thinking Mr Evans forwarded a theory on Little Childe's suspect and hence a police supported theory..

And didn't Mr Rumblow first champion the unknown local serial killer theory? Even if he has suggested since that Stride might not be a ripper victim..

And Surely most authors now believe a single serial killer the most likely solution... wasn't there some recent crack pot idea that it was some witness in Bucks Row?

When people start to believe these killings were by different people I usually recommend they get a map and mark the geography... All these women disappeared from points on Whitechapel Rd and Commercial street just a few hundred yards from each other... its a good starting place

Yours jeff

[Abby Normal]

Bad enough...

Back to Schwartz:

Where has the man been seen with Stride by PC Smith (12.30 am) at 12.45 am? PC Smith described the man as being about 28 years of age. No one stated an age younger than 28. In 1888 Aaron Kozminski was 23 years old.

Pay attention to the hats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldcw8XEqYv8

What is the probability that the Ripper and BS Man (if different) wore a cap with a peak?

very small IMHO. especially when we also have sightings by marshall, lawende, anon church st sighting, and probably smith. And especially since marsall, smith, Schwartz and lawende also describe the woman as Stride.

[Michael W Richards]

I was of course referring to proper authors



Yours Jeff

Im sure that Stewart Evans would be thrilled to be considered less than a proper author on these crimes. You would have to be far more informed than you are to be such an improper expert.

And I don't know what Trevor believes, I only know what he wrote.

But nice talking with you.

[Jeff Leahy]

Pay attention to the hats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldcw8XEqYv8

What is the probability that the Ripper and BS Man (if different) wore a cap with a peak?

OK but I only really see peak caps and bowlers... What is a dear stalker? I always think of Sherlock Holmes double peak, but I'm not certain that is correct..

And from behind?

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

At least you made me smile Jeff . Ive been studying since 1988 and Ive been here since 2005. Ive read all the major works and spoken with a few of the authors here, publicly and privately. And a few of them believe that 2, perhaps 3 women, were linked by their killer. J

Thats what happens if you hang around with Trevor Marriot

I was of course referring to proper authors

As anyone can plainly see only 3 women were murdered in very similar fashion and likely for the same reason, and you already have an established MO and Signature that can be created by the most similar and sequential victims, the first 2, so morphing it to allow for more dissimilar victims isn't my personal cup of tea and isn't the cup of tea preferred by some more advanced students either.

Actually there are differences between all the murders...but then thats what we expect to find in serial killers as they alter there MO considerably...the desires and needs remain the same.

Thats probably why I include Smith and Tabram, possibly Farmer

Its all in the Geography and the rarity of such attacks

I see herculean efforts on here all the time trying to explain why all the differences should be set aside for a single all encompassing theory. but again, not my cup of tea. The evidence, such as it is, does not point irrevocably to a single killer for any serious student...despite your rude protests. Cheers J

Once you step away from the lone serial killer forever does it dominate your destiny....a journey that enevitably leads to conspiracy theories, royal concession and the Maybrick Diary... all pie in the sky fantacy that berries its head to the simple truth that the man in charge of the investigation claimed:

'It was a definitively ascertained fact'

The simple solutions are always the best

Yours Jeff

[Michael W Richards]

The murder of Stride finds its parallel in the later murders of Coles & McKenzie, and we have no firm indication from any of those murders that they were all killed by the same person, even less that they were killed by the same hand that struck down Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Kelly.

I like it when you throw some reasonable remarks into your replies Jon.

[Michael W Richards]

Well absolutely not!

What you say is none sensical

Everything we know, logically, pionts to a singular serial killer based in the area, this has been concluded by most of the great ripperologist from Begg & fido to Evans & Rumkblow...

The killer simply lived in and around the community...other theories are at least, well hogwsh

What you are choosing to ignore is the men on he ground..those who actuaully investigated the story...had several theories that solved the crime

They knew what happened!

But they appear to have come to different conclusions?

What is being purposed here is an answer why the various police officers believed what they did....

Thats not to say Kozminski was the ripper, simply that there is only one suspect based on the known evidence

'Kozminski was the suspect'

Think about it?

Yours Jeff

PS yes we've moved on because we've been studying this a lot longer than you and there is only one possibility

At least you made me smile Jeff . Ive been studying since 1988 and Ive been here since 2005. Ive read all the major works and spoken with a few of the authors here, publicly and privately. And a few of them believe that 2, perhaps 3 women, were linked by their killer.

As anyone can plainly see only 3 women were murdered in very similar fashion and likely for the same reason, and you already have an established MO and Signature that can be created by the most similar and sequential victims, the first 2, so morphing it to allow for more dissimilar victims isn't my personal cup of tea and isn't the cup of tea preferred by some more advanced students either.

I see herculean efforts on here all the time trying to explain why all the differences should be set aside for a single all encompassing theory. but again, not my cup of tea. The evidence, such as it is, does not point irrevocably to a single killer for any serious student...despite your rude protests.

Cheers J

[S.Brett]

Hey far worse. My ex was a sociopath

Not that they understand the concept of being an ex

Yours Jeff

Bad enough...

Back to Schwartz:

Where has the man been seen with Stride by PC Smith (12.30 am) at 12.45 am? PC Smith described the man as being about 28 years of age. No one stated an age younger than 28. In 1888 Aaron Kozminski was 23 years old.

Pay attention to the hats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldcw8XEqYv8

What is the probability that the Ripper and BS Man (if different) wore a cap with a peak?