Packer and Schwartz

[Jeff Leahy]

Not bad, but MERE speculation.

Cheers.
LC

Not bad but 'Good' speculation

Can you think of another suspect you can place so closely to the heart of an area where seven women disappeared?

It makes Charles Cross look like a foreigner

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Morning Lynn

Hello (again) Jeff. Thanks.

Don't think maps will solve these murders.

Not quite sure what you mean here... Maps have probably got as good a chance as any other 'solution' which tend to be pretty weak..

But actually it is Geography that first highlighted the authorities. They were talking about a single killer long before the Chapman murder and geography was a key element to that..

Infact if you think about it Geography plays an important part in most serial killers coming to the attention of the police. Its not until you have two or three bodies in a similar local, that serial killer is considered..

I'm thinking here of the Stripper murders and Mort Lake, certainly the only reason to include Elizabeth Figg is geography

And of course the recent Ipswich murders were unequally tide together by geography...

So i again advise you look at the map of where Kozminski lived and where the killer might have met his victims. Then think about Druit, getting on a train in Black Heath, travelling to Cannon Street and then to his chambers...

And ask yourself why Whitechapel?

Moreover, you THINK "JTR" was a lust killer. A generation ago, he was a revengeful person--VD.

A sign of the times? Cheers.
LC

I'm not certain I agree with you here. Its a sign of the times that all sorts of weird and wonderful theories and conspiracies have been forwarded...another Masions conspiracy being a recent case..

I don't think theres anything mysterious considering the FBI investigation technechs for such a crime... Ask yourself which ever town you live in... lets say Maidstone... If a series of murders started to happen... a woman having a an object inserted into her, a woman frantically stayed, then a series of disembowelled prostitutes on the street...and you were a copper..

Would you

a) Think it was a member of the Royal family
b) Think it was a local group of charity fund raisers
c) Local medical students
d) Consider criminals with previous
e) That a serial killer might be on the lose?

Frankly I think the geography is a no brainer and that d) and e) would be my first lines of enquiry

Yours Jeff

[lynn cates]

gait

Hello CD.

"Could "appeared drunk" possibly refer to loud singing or talking to himself as opposed to his gait?"

Schwartz referred to his gait.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

speculation

Hello (yet again) Jeff. Thanks.

"all collected within a few hundred yards by someone who lived and worked within a few hundred yards"

Not bad, but MERE speculation.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

"It's a sign of the times. . ."

Hello (again) Jeff. Thanks.

Don't think maps will solve these murders.

Moreover, you THINK "JTR" was a lust killer. A generation ago, he was a revengeful person--VD.

A sign of the times?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

subtract one

Hello Jeff. Thanks.

"There was only one JACK"

Hmm, one too many? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

boiling

Hello Jonathan. Thanks.

Yes, and I respect the other point of view.

Suppose it all boils down to that private information.

Cheers.
LC

[Jeff Leahy]

A few minutes ago my partner took some photos of me.

Another poor long suffering partner

Dodgy as you look..point taken

Yours Jx

[S.Brett]

A few minutes ago my partner took some photos of me. I wear a woolen scarf of violet colour.

Lawende spoke about a red neckerchief/ reddish handkerchief (30 September/ 1 October 1888)

The Daily Telegraph, Tuesday, 2 October, 1888:

"a man was, later in the day, brought to the Leman-street Police-station by a constable who found him prowling about not far from Mitre-street. His face was haggard, and he seemed unable to give any account of himself. Upon him were found 1s 4―d in money and a razor, and round his throat was a woollen scarf of a violet colour, upon which were several long hairs, supposed to be those of a woman." (1 October 1888)

In the "darkness" the violet colour changed into something like reddish.

What would you think?

The colour of my hair, of the cap and of the jacket? Beard? Moustache? Chin beard? A foreigner?

I said I am 43 years old. Do I look like a man of 43 years of old in this picture?

[S.Brett]

You're welcome

Yet the crown is rounded in one, and flat in the other?
Both witnesses, Schwartz in one case, and PC Smith in the other, passed very close, within feet?, of their respective suspects.

Is it possible that a Sailorīs hat turns into a Deerstalker if the head is, let me say, unusual?

https://vimeo.com/126448451

You are right, rounded and flat, are clear to see...

[S.Brett]

Yeah I think you make a fair point here.

Perhaps sometimes to much emphasis is given to what is said and reported without actually considering the context of what someone saw.

The witness POV as I like to call it.

This often effects the witness description, fore instance Schwartz main POV of the witness is walking behind him down Berner street for almost 60-90 seconds

As you say PC Smith walks past a stationary couple, as does Brown

But in Browns case the man has his back to him and he stands between Stride and Brown blocking his view

Also we can never be sure of the lighting in any exact location, there simply has to be an amount of guess work and that means we need to make allowances in the descriptions given...

I used to give an example of three different people sat in three different seats at the same Tenis match.. all three would give completely different accounts of the same game depending on there individual advantage spot and likes and preferences... But they'd probably all come up with the same score at the end.

Yours Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Yes.

I guess that the description of a "face" is depend on the ambient light.

Pipeman: hair, light brown;had a clay pipe in his hand... his moustaches were red...

While Pipeman lighting his pipe how did his "face" change?

Yours Karsten.

[Wickerman]

Thank you!

They look very different... viewed from the front and with darkness I might confuse a deerstalker with a Sailorīs hat (in each case with a peak).

You're welcome

Yet the crown is rounded in one, and flat in the other?
Both witnesses, Schwartz in one case, and PC Smith in the other, passed very close, within feet?, of their respective suspects.

[S.Brett]

Just a couple of points. Could "appeared drunk" possibly refer to loud singing or talking to himself as opposed to his gait?

Unless the Whitechapel Murderer was killing on the spur of the moment, I don't think he would want to be wearing anything out of the ordinary that might help identify him.

c.d.

I agree!

[S.Brett]

Could we mistake either one for the other?

Thank you!

They look very different... viewed from the front and with darkness I might confuse a deerstalker with a Sailorīs hat (in each case with a peak).

[Jeff Leahy]

Unless the Whitechapel Murderer was killing on the spur of the moment, I don't think he would want to be wearing anything out of the ordinary that might help identify him.

c.d.

Hi CD

Yes I agree. And going by the link Karsten put up of hats of the period, a clothe cap with a peak, appeared to me , to be the most common type of hat. Almost all the men in that video were wearing hats of one sort or another, the exact opposite of today

Yours Jeff