Concerns with Robert Paul

[Lechmere]

Mr Lucky - yes I am clearly ean eccentric.

Lynn
If what I said was correct?
Well I suppose there's a chance that someone might find an untapped source where Charles Lechmere recorded his name as Cross but I doubt it.
As I said, we only know what we know.
If you want to imagine to yourself that he may have called himself Cross to his mates and used Lechmere with officialdom, yet then used Cross with the police (isn't that officialdom?) then who am I to gainsay you.
And if you unable to think of a good reason for a criminal to prefer to go under a fake name, and clearly keep their real name secret unlike Long - when unlike Long they were found very close to a dead body before raising the alarm, and when they then got into a dispute with a policeman over who said what to whom, and when that person only came forward after being mentioned in a newspaper story...
Sorry I'm being eccentric again.

[Mr Lucky]

But in the wacky world of Ripperology this is to be passed over.
Let's hunt for the loony suspect. Far more, err, satisfying.

Edward,

This idea of yours , that these murders were committed by someone who was actually at the crime scene, at the time they happened - can't you accept you're simply being a stickler for reality, and get yourself a proper suspect?

[lynn cates]

What's in a name?

Hello Edward. Thanks.

Even IF that were correct (we don't know what his friends called him), we have, so far, no good reason for an alias.

Nor do we know why Durrell/Darrell/Long was named as she was. Sinister?

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

We only know what we know.
We know that in every recorded capacity he never called himself Cross - and we have a wide range of records to go on, some state-official, some not.
Then he turned up - late - at a police station - after Paul had implicated him in his newspaper story - and to high officialdom in a very sensitive business what does he do? He doesn't call himself by his true and slightly unusual name - Lechmere - he calls himself by a commonplace name Cross.

But in the wacky world of Ripperology this is to be passed over.
Let's hunt for the loony suspect. Far more, err, satisfying.

[lynn cates]

depends

Hello Edward.

"Nothing wrong with this in a murder case is there?"

Depends on:

1. His usual (non-official) name.

2. His reason for giving it.

3. His coming forward.

"Let's go and find a better suspect."

Sensible advice. We agree.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

The immediate evening press reports said she had been horribly mutilated and speculated that she had been killed elsewhere and dumped in Bucks Row.
Paul giving his account probably after reading those reports - almost certainly while on his way home from work and in the Bucks Row vicinity - allowed himself, I believe, to be influenced by those accounts. He didn't want to look foolish in saying he didn't know whether or not she was dead.
I think that is the explanation for his saying that it was obvious the body had been dead for some time. It also shows he was 'suggestable'.

Also he comes across in his two press statements as being anti police. That is I think why he blamed the police for not finding her sooner and Mizen for not going immediately.

He also 'bigged up' his own role - to give himself more importance. He played the dominant role not Lechmere - despite him bricking it when Lechmere approached him. Paul claimed to have spoken to Mizen, whereas Mizen said he spoke to Lechmere and gave little notice to Paul.
I think that due to Paul's hostility to the police he kept his distance from Mizen, but wanted to claim all the credit from the press - who probably paid him for his story.

I think this explains the discrepancies and fits the facts as known.

Isn't it interesting that pundits here want to re-write the Lechmere-Mizen conversation to fit their own agendas - substituting a version that is not backed up by Lechmere's or Mizen's testimony.
Why should there be any fuss over this, when the man involved in this discrepancy was found right by a freshly killed body prior to his raising the alarm, and then gave a name that he is never known to have used?
Nothing wrong with this in a murder case is there?
Let's go and find a better suspect.

[GUT]

G'day Jon

For what its worth I think the whole Mizen/Cross contention is a storm in a teacup.

Cross undoubtedly told PC Mizen that he was needed in Bucks Row. Or, he was wanted in Bucks Row, due to there being a body lying in the street.
PC Mizen merely took the expression "wanted", or "needed", as referring to the needs of another constable.
All Cross was meaning was that a situation needed his attention, not another policeman.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, its a simple misunderstanding.

Stop applying common sense.

[lynn cates]

not significant

Hello Jon. I agree. Nor do I find a man with official and unofficial names significant. I had a professor with one of each.

Cheers.
LC

[Hatchett]

Hi,

Sometimes in situations like that, hopeful aspirations come to the fore. It perhaps says more for what Mr. Paul hoped that what really existed. Wouldnt we all have wanted to believe that if we had been in his postion?

[Wickerman]

If she truly were "dead for some time," this would reflect badly on the police. The murder would become even more of a story due to a police incompetence angle.

Paul wasn't qualified to know.

[Hatchett]

Hi,

I have to agree with you, Wickerman. It is a blinf alley, I fear.

Best wishes.

[Wickerman]

For what its worth I think the whole Mizen/Cross contention is a storm in a teacup.

Cross undoubtedly told PC Mizen that he was needed in Bucks Row. Or, he was wanted in Bucks Row, due to there being a body lying in the street.
PC Mizen merely took the expression "wanted", or "needed", as referring to the needs of another constable.
All Cross was meaning was that a situation needed his attention, not another policeman.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, its a simple misunderstanding.

[lynn cates]

drunk

Hello Barnaby. Thanks.

The implication is that the officer missed a round on the beat? I suppose he could offer that, he, too, thought her drunk.

Cheers.
LC

[Barnaby]

If she truly were "dead for some time," this would reflect badly on the police. The murder would become even more of a story due to a police incompetence angle.

[lynn cates]

making a stir

Hello Barnaby. How would this story benefit a journalist?

Cheers.
LC