Who Was Anderson’s Witness?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Well, I'm not sure about bitter specifically, but as long as there's beer available I'd have to say it's a possibility.

And what is your estimation of the probability of Lawende's being able to describe the suspect's headwear, jacket, neckerchief and moustache, and estimate his height and age, from a distance of three yards, after having drunk six pints of beer?

[Ms Diddles]

What would be your estimation of the probability of someone going there and drinking six pints of bitter?

Well, I'm not sure about bitter specifically, but as long as there's beer available I'd have to say it's a possibility.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Kosher restaurants often have a wine menu, with beer and spirits available too.

Obviously excessive drinking is not encouraged but booze is certainly readily available.

What would be your estimation of the probability of someone going there and drinking six pints of bitter?

[Ms Diddles]

If you went to a Kosher restaurant, you would not see people drinking pints of beer.

Your challenge is not a valid one.

It is rather like asking someone to prove that people don't go to vegan restaurants to get drunk.

Kosher restaurants often have a wine menu, with beer and spirits available too.

Obviously excessive drinking is not encouraged but booze is certainly readily available.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If you went to a Kosher restaurant, you would not see people drinking pints of beer.

Your challenge is not a valid one.

It is rather like asking someone to prove that people don't go to vegan restaurants to get drunk.

But this wasn’t a kosher restaurant was it? It was set up like a West End club (as it said in the newspaper article)

So my question is entirely valid; which I’ll repeat…..can you provide proper evidence that Joseph Lawende hadn’t been drinking? I can’t prove that he had (which I’ll openly concede), but I’ve never claimed that he had, only that there’s an entirely reasonable possibility that he might have been.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

This is only your opinion. What are you basing that opinion on? Can you provide evidence to back it up? I can’t really believe that I’m asking this question PI because you clearly can’t have evidence.

If you went to a Kosher restaurant, you would not see people drinking pints of beer.

Your challenge is not a valid one.

It is rather like asking someone to prove that people don't go to vegan restaurants to get drunk.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Please see my reply below.




I have not changed my position:


People did not drink six pints of beer at kosher dining clubs. (# 423)


People didn't go to such a club to down six pints of beer, as you suggested. (# 428).

This is only your opinion. What are you basing that opinion on? Can you provide evidence to back it up? I can’t really believe that I’m asking this question PI because you clearly can’t have evidence.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Please see my reply below.

Ok. So you’ve now changed position from “People did not go there to drink,” to the above.

I have not changed my position:


People did not drink six pints of beer at kosher dining clubs. (# 423)


People didn't go to such a club to down six pints of beer, as you suggested. (# 428).

[Herlock Sholmes]

People didn't go to such a club to down six pints of beer, as you suggested.

Ok. So you’ve now changed position from “People did not go there to drink,” to the above.

And so as you’ve provided no evidence that members couldn’t get a drink at the Imperial Club and I’ve provided evidence that they could. Perhaps you could now provide the evidence to back up your claim to know how much a member might or might not drink there?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

This advertisement was posted on here in 2008 by the late Chris Scott. It says that the club was run on the principles of the West End clubs which, as we know, served alcohol. The difference at The Imperial being that naturally the food was Kosher.

People didn't go to such a club to down six pints of beer, as you suggested.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This advertisement was posted on here in 2008 by the late Chris Scott. It says that the club was run on the principles of the West End clubs which, as we know, served alcohol. The difference at The Imperial being that naturally the food was Kosher.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It was not a public house.

It was not a pub/club, as you put it.

People did not go there to drink.

It was a dining club.

At the risk of repeating myself…..and the evidence that it was only a dining club and that it didn’t serve alcohol is?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Can you provide your evidence that no drinks were available at the club that Lawende and co attended please. Or if drinks were available, the evidence that Lawende didn’t partake.

It was not a public house.

It was not a pub/club, as you put it.

People did not go there to drink.

It was a dining club.

[Herlock Sholmes]

People did not drink six pints of beer at kosher dining clubs.

You are displaying the lack of understanding - of the differences between the Jewish and Gentile communities at that time - to which I have referred.

Can you provide your evidence that no drinks were available at the club that Lawende and co attended please. Or if drinks were available, the evidence that Lawende didn’t partake.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

People did not drink six pints of beer at kosher dining clubs.

You are displaying the lack of understanding - of the differences between the Jewish and Gentile communities at that time - to which I have referred.