Why Wasn't Hutchinson used to try to ID Kosminski?

[Sunny Delight]

Makes you wonder if that explains him popping his boots at the end of it. Blessed relief.

Absolutely it must have been a brutal undertaking but then what other choice did the slum dwellers have? Certainly those better off could afford train tickets but for those like Eddowes that was a luxury they could not afford. As I said earlier also and on a little tangent there were middle class affluent people who were represented on Booth's map within Whitechapel. This is often overlooked when taking Hutchinson's statement into account. It would have been unusual maybe to see someone dressed like that near Dorset Street but there were people like this who lived in the area so it is certainly something which is not an anomaly.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Eddowes and Kelly walked for 11 hours from Hunton to Whitechapel. 4 hours compared to that would be but a mere stroll for fresh air.

Makes you wonder if that explains him popping his boots at the end of it. Blessed relief.

[Sunny Delight]

I do not know.I only know that she claimed to have walked back,but over what period of time .Not even sure it was all the way either. To get back to 'Common'.All people,one in three perhaps,or what figure do you suggest?

Eddowes and Kelly walked for 11 hours from Hunton to Whitechapel. 4 hours compared to that would be but a mere stroll for fresh air.

[harry]

I do not know.I only know that she claimed to have walked back,but over what period of time .Not even sure it was all the way either. To get back to 'Common'.All people,one in three perhaps,or what figure do you suggest?

[Sunny Delight]

Seems so common.Then tell me of one person that you know did it,and i'll tell you twelve that didn't.Tell me of one source that says it was common,and I'll refer you to a dozen that says otherwise.

How far did Catherine Eddowes walk to go hop picking?

[harry]

Seems so common.Then tell me of one person that you know did it,and i'll tell you twelve that didn't.Tell me of one source that says it was common,and I'll refer you to a dozen that says otherwise.

[Sunny Delight]

Wickerman,
I do not have to read about 19th century conditions.My parents,my grandparents,uncles and aunts,school teachers too,were all born and brought up in Victorian times.I learned from them as well,But look, you say forget my so-callled experts.I will willingly, if you will give up your sources.

Wasn't Hutchinson described as having 'a military appearance'. Maybe he was military and physically fit. I just can't see how something that was so common seems so incredible to you? People literally had no other option but to walk.

[harry]

Wickerman,
I do not have to read about 19th century conditions.My parents,my grandparents,uncles and aunts,school teachers too,were all born and brought up in Victorian times.I learned from them as well,But look, you say forget my so-callled experts.I will willingly, if you will give up your sources.

[Wickerman]

Wickerman,
The comparrison of the olmypics was to show that even trained persons,when performing feats that require stamina,and are regular and natural for them,can suffer extreme mental and physical damage when put to the test.There is nothing to show Hutchinson was a regular distance walker.The rest of what I have said can be found on the net.Read it,then come back and say I am wrong.

Harry, forget your so-called experts.
I suggest you read up on the 19th century social conditions, especially on how common it was for 'common folk' to have to walk tens if not hundreds of miles for work. Look up the witness Emanuel Violenia, sure he turned out to have lied to police about who he saw, but my point is him and his family walked to London from Manchester.

[Wickerman]

Without referring to any particular poster, regarding Mrs Maxwell I'm just glad I wasn't a witness at the time trying to simply get across what I saw, only for some keyboard "detective" to decide 130 years later that I was drunk, mistaken, scatty, attention seeking, lying or whatever else has been thrown.

Maxwell turned up at the inquest and stood up in the most hostile environment, even being warned about her evidence, and stuck to her story rigidly. Plus, other people also said they saw Mary after she is supposed to be dead.

Regarding "hardly knew her" Well, there's a lady who moved in over the road from me a few months ago. I've never spoken to her and don't know her name but I would recognise her clearly.

And I know I've said this before, but for those who think she got the day wrong just think what her week was.

Boring mundane monotony.
Boring mundane monotony.
Boring mundane monotony.
Lord Mayor's show and neighbour killed by Jack the Ripper.
Boring mundane monotony.
Boring mundane monotony. etc.

She misremembered the day. Really?

If you're going to dismiss her and her evidence because it doesn't fit what you think you know, fine.

But dismiss Lawende, Schwartz, Long, in fact everything.

We need to realise that Ripperology does not fit into a nice box with a lid that fits and a pretty ribbon!

And everything about Maxwell applies to Hutchinson too.

regards

To add to your list.

1 - Maxwell couldn't possibly have got the day wrong, it was the same day. She saw Kelly that Friday morning, and was interviewed by police & press that same afternoon.
2 - Maxwell saw Kelly while on her errand to the milk shop for hubby's breakfast. The man at the milk shop confirmed she had been there that morning.

I'm being devils advocate here, I don't think she saw Kelly, she saw someone who looked like her, but I do believe she was convinced of who she saw and she had the right day.

[harry]

Wickerman,
The comparrison of the olmypics was to show that even trained persons,when performing feats that require stamina,and are regular and natural for them,can suffer extreme mental and physical damage when put to the test.There is nothing to show Hutchinson was a regular distance walker.The rest of what I have said can be found on the net.Read it,then come back and say I am wrong.

[harry]

I am repeating from what experts say about walking long distances.We only have Hutchinson's word that he travelled to Romford and returned that day,a combined distance of about 24 miles,which in that day or this would be a very rare occurance.Followed of course by a vigil in Dorset street,then another couple of hours walking around Whitechapel.A remarkable feat by any standards,and for what reason? How many hours on his feet? No money to buy food or drink on the way back.Remember he said he had spent all of his money going down to Romford.
No ,I do not believe it,and I believe little of the other claims he made.There is no way his claims could be disputed when interviewed by Aberline,so that person was fair in his assessment,but then Aberline only offered an opinion of truthhfullness,and like any other opinion,there leaves room for doubt.

[tanta07]

Hello, Sunny,

Here's three descriptions of Astrakhan Man, each of them from George Hutchinson.



Simon

Ex-Detective Inspector, London City Police Harry Cox described the suspect they had under surveillance as a 5'6 Jew with short curly black hair who worked out of a shop in the area. Rob House's book makes the case that Kosminksi is the man he's describing.

[Sunny Delight]

Hello, Sunny,

Here's three descriptions of Astrakhan Man, each of them from George Hutchinson.



Simon

Yeah not too much difference considering we don't know how much the press removed due to space constraints maybe. It looks fairly consistent. Thanks for this.

[Simon Wood]

Hello, Sunny,

Here's three descriptions of Astrakhan Man, each of them from George Hutchinson.



Simon