Should We Consider John Kelly As A Suspect?

[Bridewell]

I know what you mean about the 3D effect, Dave & thanks Jon for publishing such an interesting picture to illustrate the point made.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

Cracking good pic Jon...probably the colouring process but there's a remarkable almost 3D effect, to my poor old eyes anyhow!

Dave

[Jon Guy]

Here`s a pic of Maidstone High St. Pash`s shoe shop can be seen on the right.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Bridewell

What was the source for the explanation as to how Kate came to be in possession of the pawn ticket though? John Kelly?

It was through Kelly. But his story of been out of town is easily corroborated as we also know he bought his new boots at Arthur Pash`s in Maidstone High St, and Eddowes bought a jacket from Mr Edmett`s nearby Pawnbroker.

Mr Pash`s daughter was a friend of Walter Sickert.
http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=3467

[lynn cates]

saga

Hello Bridewell.

"I am with you in the belief that there was some significance to the facial injuries to Eddowes. I think the ear damage, minor as it was, was perhaps accidental, but the eyes, nose & mouth looks to have had a purpose.'

Thank you. Yes, looks purposive to me.

"What about the significance of the remark attributed to her, when she said she thought she knew the identity of the killer, and the Superintendent of the Casual Ward allegedly warned her to be careful the murder didn't get her:

"Oh, no fear of that!"

The story is an uncorroborated press report & has to be treated with caution but, if she said it, why did she feel justified in her misplaced confidence that she would not fall victim to the Ripper?"

Well, as you say, it is a press report and sounds apocryphal. If true, it may indicate:

1. that she really DID stay in a casual ward after all.

2. that she was flippant towards the killer.

Again, there seems MUCH more to the John and Kate saga than meets the eye.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

"Oh, no fear of that!"

The story is an uncorroborated press report & has to be treated with caution but, if she said it, why did she feel justified in her misplaced confidence that she would not fall victim to the Ripper?

I always thought simple cockney bravura!

Dave

[Bridewell]

Hi Bridewell

There was the couple who worked in the same hopfield and gave them the pawn ticket in the name of Emily Burrell. The couple returned with them as far as Maidstone, turning off for Chatham.

Hi Jon,

I think it was Birrell, but I take the point. What was the source for the explanation as to how Kate came to be in possession of the pawn ticket though? John Kelly?

Lynn,

I am with you in the belief that there was some significance to the facial injuries to Eddowes. i think the ear damage, minor as it was, was perhaps accidental, but the eyes, nose & mouth looks to have had a purpose.

What about the significance of the remark attributed to her, when she said she thought she knew the identity of the killer, and the Superintendent of the Casual Ward allegedly warned her to be careful the murder didn't get her:

"Oh, no fear of that!"

The story is an uncorroborated press report & has to be treated with caution but, if she said it, why did she feel justified in her misplaced confidence that she would not fall victim to the Ripper?

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

John

Hello Bridewell. Thanks.

"Haven't a clue!"

Nor yet I.

"I just thought it worthwhile starting a thread, in view of the direction the other one was taking."

Oh, quite worthwhile. Thanks.

"For the record, I'm not a Kellyerian (?), just a devil's advocate!"

Well, I don't suspect John of killing Kate (of course, I could hit you with two pieces of information that might cause you to sit up and take notice); but, I do believe he knew who did and wished not to end up like Kate.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Great expectorations.

Hello Dave. Well, you really spat that one out. (Sorry!)

There is much more to Kate and John's movements on Friday and Saturday than meets the eye. Delighted finally to have a chance to discuss this.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

???

Hello (again) Bridewell.

"You seem to be leaning towards Kelly for Eddowes, Lynn"

Well, it may be more complicated than that. I think he knew the score and had been scared into silence.

" . . . but why not Kelly for all of them - at least as a possibility? With Eddowes dead, we only have his word for it that he was in Kent throughout the hop-picking season."

OK, what was his motive?

Cheers.
LC

Haven't a clue! I just thought it worthwhile starting a thread, in view of the direction the other one was taking. For the record, I'm not a Kellyerian (?), just a devil's advocate!

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

More in hop than expectoration

As an aside, it seems the City of London police never bought the "hopping" story. There is a tale in the papers, possibly apocryphal, in which Kate was receiving money from a man a week before she was slain. The story indicated that the City police were investigating. But if so, surely they did not accept that she was in Kent picking hops?

Always that sting in the tail...

Bless you Lynn!

Dave

[lynn cates]

hop to it

Hello Dave. I daresay.

As an aside, it seems the City of London police never bought the "hopping" story. There is a tale in the papers, possibly apocryphal, in which Kate was receiving money from a man a week before she was slain. The story indicated that the City police were investigating. But if so, surely they did not accept that she was in Kent picking hops?

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

I know what you mean, but of course the police always begin with the murdered female's "significant other."

I expect they did in this case too...and eliminated him!

Best wishes

Dave

[lynn cates]

significant other

Hello Richard. I know what you mean, but of course the police always begin with the murdered female's "significant other."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

pickpocket

Hello (again) Jon.

"She was probably feeling him up for his watch or coins."

Interesting. Do we know if Kate were ever up for pickpocketing?

Cheers.
LC