PC William Smith

[curious]

Hello Jason. 5 minutes, like as not.

Examples? Love to see one. It could be very helpful.

Cheers.
LC

someone got Kate Eddowes incredibly drunk. she was not supposed to have any money. . .

[lynn cates]

Poll's story

Hello Tom. My take is that she was not always forthcoming with information.

Out of curiosity, aren't there some who fail to advance?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Lynn, yes, she said a corporal and a private.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

acne

Hello Tom. Was he so young? 20's? That's young enough for acne.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Forgive me if i'm wrong but didn't the rain start just after her death? Because when she was removed wasn't it dry underneath her? I mighy be completely off but that's what is coming to mind right now???

Hi Red. The rain occurred earlier, was in full swing at the time Stride and her man ducked into the pub where Best and Gardner were, and ended no later than 11:30pm. Her clothes were bone dry when she was discovered, putting the lie to Matthew Packer’s story of having watched her stand in the open rain for 30 minutes eating grapes.

1. "Martha Tabram" OK, but it was not a multi-tryst night. Sounded more like date.

The idea that a soldier in his 20’s would ‘date’ Martha Tabram is as funny as it is repulsive. To your credit, Lynn, you’re a hopeless romantic. In reality, there’s good reason to doubt that there was any truth at all to Pearly Poll’s story. Whole thing may have been a lie.

Having said that, yes it was quite common for men to buy prostitutes a drink before taking them away. After all, these men were picked up primarily in or just outside of a pub.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

What shall we do with a drunken sailor?

Hello Jason. Well, in all fairness, it sounds like a hybrid. A date, dinner, drinks, and a payoff. Probably not uncommon with soldiers, sailors (like Sadler), and others with money to spend.

Thanks for the link.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Drill ye tarriers.

Hello Jon. Well, a source. Firm? Harrumph.

"Fishman (East End 1888), says a young woman "sweater" who makes 15-20 shillings a weeks "could earn more in one night than she earns in a week at work"."

I could quote a line from "From Hell" but I'd better not. Let's just say that, as with any "line of work" industriousness pays off.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hello Bruce, er Jon. But in how many of those cases was Liz wearing her flower?

Point? Are we sure it was Liz?

Cheers.
LC

We're not sure its Liz. But it is a further indication that drinking with clients in a pub was not uncommon.

I hope this link works. It wont allow me to copy and paste

http://tinyurl.com/88adual

[jason_c]

Hello Jon.

1. "Martha Tabram" OK, but it was not a multi-tryst night. Sounded more like date.

2. "Annie Farmer" Yes, but sounded again like a one guy night. She also seemed interested in a different kind of pay off.

3. "Frances Coles" Again, this was not a case of one woman who was supposed to have many clients.

Do I think MJK had many clients? No. I would say none that night.

Cheers.
LC

Lyn,

Pearly Poll, an unmarried prostitute of 50, drinks with a younger soldier she had met at 10pm that night, she then took him to Angel Alley. This sounds more like casual prostitution than a date.

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. (May I call you Bruce? Less confusing.)

I've been called worse, Baxter...
:-)

"On the street Lynn, yes something like a 5-10 minute liason is probably true, and that came with an appropriate price."

Yes, about 4d.

Interesting, you have firm source?

4d was only the price of a bed in a Common Lodging-house, but Fishman (East End 1888), says a young woman "sweater" who makes 15-20 shillings a weeks "could earn more in one night than she earns in a week at work".

Age comes into it certainly, but if we hear rumors of men passing off polished farthings to prostitutes as if they were half-sovereigns (value = 10 shillings), then this 'fee' must surely have been considerably more than 4d?

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

flower

Hello Bruce, er Jon. But in how many of those cases was Liz wearing her flower?

Point? Are we sure it was Liz?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

situation

Hello Jason.

"Barnett also picked up Kelly in a pub."

Indeed. But that was for a permanent situation--not a quickie.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

money and time

Hello Jon. (May I call you Bruce? Less confusing.)

"On the street Lynn, yes something like a 5-10 minute liason is probably true, and that came with an appropriate price."

Yes, about 4d.

"However, those women who take a client back to her room, I would expect, intend a longer liason and at a higher price."

Agreed.

"A room implies 'bed' which surely commands a more intimate coupling at an appropriate price wouldn't you think?"

Absolutely. Whence, upon hearing some Irsih folk caterwauling, one is entitled to one's money back.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

comparisons

Hello Jon.

1. "Martha Tabram" OK, but it was not a multi-tryst night. Sounded more like date.

2. "Annie Farmer" Yes, but sounded again like a one guy night. She also seemed interested in a different kind of pay off.

3. "Frances Coles" Again, this was not a case of one woman who was supposed to have many clients.

Do I think MJK had many clients? No. I would say none that night.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Also, wasnt it Stride who reportedly had a gentleman friend hanging off her as they were leaving a pub?

Thats the first occurance that immediately sprang to mind when Lynn asked. It was Best & Gardner who saw Stride in the Bricklayer's Arms on Settles St. about an hour before her death.
Stride was seen with three men (by Best, Gardner, P.C. Smith, Marshall) all wearing morning/cutaway coats within the same hour, unless they were all the same man.

Regards, Jon S.