George William Topping Hutchinson: Witness

[Rubyretro]

[QUOTE]

Hello Malcolm. What leads you to think that A Man is Jewish

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Hutchinson caregorically stated "Jewish appearance can be identified."

[lynn cates]

Jewish?

Hello Malcolm. What leads you to think that A Man is Jewish?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

start

Hello Michael.

"So first, was there a man with Kelly who was seen by GWTH, and second, was the description accurate, embellished, or fancied."

Good. This is the starting point. Entirely agree.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

the police were very pleased to have such an accurate suspect description, from somebody who was reportedly seen standing outside millers court... and he was too, this makes him seem legitimate.

the police therefore went hell for leather to trace this mysterious Jew, all they needed from GH, was for him to remain at the Victoria Homes for the next few weeks, just in case they wanted to talk to him again, plus they probably had a few other signatures of his, so he was maybe a visitor to Whitechapel in search of work ?....... yes maybe, well what just like so many others.

this GH lost credability some weeks later with the police and to make matters worst, he probably left Whitechapel too....this sort of thing seems to happen quite a lot with regards to this case, and also this looks very embarassing too. this is therefore something that the top brass dont want to mention too much, so rather than to go chasing after GH, they prefer to sweep it under the carpet, and concentrate their efforts on other lines of enquiries.

GH didn't get into trouble for lieng, well maybe they couldn't prove he was lieing, just like we cant, they can only be highly suspicious... maybe the police never saw him again and couldn't care less if they did, because it's only in the last 40 years that we realise that this lie could point towards something else far more serious !!!!!!!!! But back then it meant that he was a ``reward seeking time waster``

[Malcolm X]

This thread is based upon the strong contention that Topping Hutchinson and George Hutchinson are one and the same. The evidence makes this a near certainty for this poster. This is not a thread to argue about this particular point and I hope posters can just begin at the conclusion of the two being the same man and then go from there.

The question is, after looking at Topping's family history, what credibility as a wtiness does he have? Again, one must begin with the conclusion that Topping is Hutchinson and that he was never a suspect that we know of. This is about his witness statement and his credibility as a witness.

Mike

ok, firstly his statement is shot to pieces, take this as almost a fact, but unfortunately ``THE QUESTION WHY`` is far too complicated to answer here, it's virtually a 5 page essay, whatever the case you've heard it all before.

now i am going to be totally unbias

1..... he either made it all up before going to the police

2......he pretended to be this GH years later

3...... it looks like Toppy is a bit of a ``fly by night character `` and very likely the type to come forward to claim a reward, or to lie years later....... i did not realise this until i studied the other thread, this pleases me !

this must be said..... if this statement is actually from JTR, then it's perfect for achieving what he was trying to do.... it's virtually faultless.
he could not have attacked the Jews better than the M.KELLY murder.

but is this GH JTR...... or is it Toppy ?......... i honestly dont know, but it looks more like JTR than it did 2 weeks ago.

food for thought :-

1...... this GH eyewitness statement is definitely a lie..... GH whoever he is, definitely did not see kelly/LA DE DA that night. this is accepted by so many people here, but maybe not realised by them fully yet.

the person who said this has not made too many mistakes between the police/ newspaper statements, so this image of a Jew is fairly well fixated in his head. my longshot guess is that this Jew actually existed, he's describing someone from Petticoat lane, that he probably saw during the day.

[The Good Michael]

Accepting your point of departure, would you agree that the existence or non-existence of Astrakhan Man is the most crucial piece of his testimony?

Hi Lynn, well if you mean a man who has been labled Astrakhan Man by doubters, yes a man who was seen with Kelly would be the biggest part to this and must be what the police based their initial belief in Hutchinson's testimony on. To take it further, there still must have been belief by some component of the police department for GWTH to not have gotten into trouble for lying, if he did lie. So first, was there a man with Kelly who was seen by GWTH, and second, was teh description accurate, embellished, or fancied.

Mike

[lynn cates]

Astrakhan

Hello Michael. Good idea for a thread. Thanks for starting it.

Accepting your point of departure, would you agree that the existence or non-existence of Astrakhan Man is the most crucial piece of his testimony?

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

This thread is based upon the strong contention that Topping Hutchinson and George Hutchinson are one and the same. The evidence makes this a near certainty for this poster. This is not a thread to argue about this particular point and I hope posters can just begin at the conclusion of the two being the same man and then go from there.

The question is, after looking at Topping's family history, what credibility as a wtiness does he have? Again, one must begin with the conclusion that Topping is Hutchinson and that he was never a suspect that we know of. This is about his witness statement and his credibility as a witness.

Mike