Galloway and the Blotchy Faced Man

Ode to Blotchy

I think you'll find that has been discussed on various Hutchinson threads, Shell. Since the Blotchy Faced Man gets so few threads of his own, it might be better not to introduce the fiendish Hutchinson onto this one. Trust me - mention the "H" word and all hell breaks loose, no matter what the subject of the original discussion

(Aside: Benedict... bite your tongue, sir!)

Oh, Poor Blotchy, your subject is slotchy with a face that could.....erm...A face,

Well, any ideas to how his face became blotchy? Walter Sickerts mishap paintings any one?

[Celesta]

Hey Ben,

Kudzu is indeed a strangler and a killer. So it does bear a resemblance to...ahem! But we still make jokes about it!

It does need to be gotten under control, esp when it gets started in a wooded area.

Hey Roy,

I expect you're dressed about right. Casual dress works, although I have seen a Victorian gent or lady there on occasion. Okay...well, they were Steampunks, but that's sort of Victorian.

Doesn't seem like anyone has much to say about Galloway today.

[Roy Corduroy]

Ben I am pleased with your good humor, and know you have been to Carolina and seen it with your own eyes.

But I read this: Kudzu, which is native to Asia, was introduced in the United States in 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition - Aha !! - this is an evil plot from the dastardly Howard (Philly Cheesesteak) Brown and his minions over at Forum. Frought with Casebook envy they have sicked the evil vine on us.

By the way, what's the dress code over at How's shop?

Roy

[Ben]

So, yes, Hutch spreads like kudzu.

If only the comparison ended there, Cel:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/25/070846.php

[Celesta]

Thanks, Roy. I'll be kinder to myself. I live in the land of kudzu. We have a great time down here laughing about kudzu. It grows like mad and will take over everything. We've got dirt down here nobody's seen in decades! It's true that goats love it. A friend of mine wanted to dig up some kudzu to take up to Ohio and plant it outside her evil sister-in-law's bedroom. She wanted to train it through the bedroom window in hopes it would strangle her sister-in-law during the night. I had to patiently explain that it doesn't grow quite that fast. It would probably take about 6 days or a week.

I used to swear that someday someone would prove that that vine was the cure to some disease and that the South would get rich harvesting it. So far, I've only seen it made into tea.

So, yes, Hutch spreads like kudzu.

Best,

Cel

[Roy Corduroy]

Re: Hutch spreading like Kudzu

Don't be too hard on yourself Celesta, we all do it. We must seek kind and gentle ways of facing the problem. See this - (click)

Roy

[Celesta]

Too true, Sam, and I get hooked every time. Hell, I've even caused it to happen now and then, but only now and then, so I'm a culprit. I'll try to do better. It's an addiction.



I hold to my view that at least for a while the police were distracted by Hutch's statement and description, incomplete though it was, as SPE amply points out here on CBook.

[Sam Flynn]

I wonder if Hutchinson was married and Mary Kelly solicited him sometimes, just a thought as why would Mary be asking for 6d, i wouldn't have thought that she maybe asking for a loan but trying to solicit so she didn't owe any more money, as she was behind with her rent for weeks, as has be mentioned. Maybe that's why Hutchinson didn't go to the police until a few days later, he might have been worried because he was married.

I think you'll find that has been discussed on various Hutchinson threads, Shell. Since the Blotchy Faced Man gets so few threads of his own, it might be better not to introduce the fiendish Hutchinson onto this one. Trust me - mention the "H" word and all hell breaks loose, no matter what the subject of the original discussion

(Aside: Benedict... bite your tongue, sir!)

Mary Kelly Asking for 6d From Hutchinson

I wonder if Hutchinson was married and Mary Kelly solicited him sometimes, just a thought as why would Mary be asking for 6d, i wouldn't have thought that she maybe asking for a loan but trying to solicit so she didn't owe any more money, as she was behind with her rent for weeks, as has be mentioned. Maybe that's why Hutchinson didn't go to the police until a few days later, he might have been worried because he was married.

[Celesta]

Hi David,

That's what I've always thought when I've read about this encounter. According to the date on this, it's days after Hutch went to the police on Nov. 12 at 6 PM. Notices about the pardon for accomplices appeared on Nov. 12. Hutch's "testimony" could have been what this constable was going on about. Mr. Astrakhan vs Blotchy. Astrakhan didn't fit Cox's blotchy, stocky suspect and on the 17th, the police were still looking for Astrakhan.

Doing okay?

Best,

Cel

Oops! I think i made a mistake in the above post, as Sam has quite rightly pointed out that he's never seen it written down anywhere, Lewis says a stout man with dark clothing, not Blotchy face, i seem to have fused this together with Cox's statement of a blotchy face man stout with dark clothing. Quite right Sam, my mistake......I must be getting tired now, so off to bed.
Sorry.

Not sure I've seen that written down anywhere, Shelley. Grateful if you'd enlighten me

i read in the witness statements copied for the thread Elizabeth Prater or was it Prater/Lewis/Hutchinson/Cox

I read Lewis said she saw a blotchy face man in the street and also a man and woman who was drunk going by. But reading Hutchinson's he does not make mention of a Blotchy face man or the man and woman.
Just read it recently, as i was fathoming out whether Diddles did it!

[Sam Flynn]

Lewis said she had seen Blotchy in the street around 2 am or thereabouts...

Not sure I've seen that written down anywhere, Shelley. Grateful if you'd enlighten me

In the thread at
http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-592.html
there is mention of a Mr Galloway as follows:
"police referred to Blotchy Man as the suspect wanted in connection with Marys murder. He may well have been seen and slipped away some days later when a Mr Galloway spotted him by his description, and an officer who was approached declined to follow him as he fled."
(posted by perrymason)
I had seen mention of this before but have only just found the text of Galloway's statment. This is below.
Chris


Hampshire Telegraph
17 November 1888

Judging from a communication made to a news agency by Mr Galloway, a clerk employed in the City, and living in Stepney, no reliance is now placed upon the statement made by the woman Cox.
Mr Galloway's statement is as follows:-
"As I was going down the Whitechapel Road in the early hours of Wednesday morning on my way home, I saw a man coming in the opposite direction, about fifty yards away. We both crossed the road simultaneously and came face to face. The man had a very frightened appearance, and glared at me as he passed. I was very much struck with the man's appearance especially as he corresponded in almost every particular with the man described by Mary Anne Cox. He was, in fact, short, stout, about 35 to 40 years of age. His moustache, not a particularly heavy one, was of a 'carrotty' colour, and his face was blotchy, not, as far as I could see, from disease, but through drink and dissipation. He wore a long, dirty, brown overcoat, and altogether presented a most villainous appearance. I stood still, and watched him. He darted back almost immediately to the other side of the road, and then apparently to avoid a group of women a litttle further on, crossed the road again. I determined to follow him, and just before reaching the coffee stall, past the church, he again crossed the road. On reaching George Yard he crossed over and entered a small court. He reappeared in a couple of minutes, crossed Whitechapel Road for the sixth time, and proceeded up Commercial Street. Up to this point he had walked along briskly, but directly he got into Commercial Street he slackened speed, and accosted the first woman whom he met alone, but was repulsed. On approaching Thrawl Street, a policeman on point duty suddenly appeared. The man was evidently startled, and for a moment it looked as though he would turn back or cross the road. He recovered himself, however, and went on. I then informed the constable of what I had seen, and pointed out the man's extraordinary resemblance to the individual described by Cox. The constable positively declined to arrest the man, saying that he was looking for a man of very different appearance."

Blotchy face and some of his description was given by Lewis who said she witnessed a scream of ' Murder ' in Miller's Court in the early hours of the morning surrounding Mary Kelly's death, Lewis said she had seen Blotchy in the street around 2 am or thereabouts, so Blotchy had left Mary Kelly. It was false reporting from those outside of Miller's court who said they heard cries of murder at a quarter to 2, whereas Prater and Lewis said it was around 4 am or thereabouts , i'm sure the residents wanted to have Blotchy as the Ripper. However dropping Hutchinson's description of the man, then Cox's blotchy face and previously Schwartz and another guy, the police thought that the only reliable on was Lawende's description and some of Lawende's was similar ( not same) to Cox's description.

[DVV]

That's it. And it's interesting to analyse how did Hutch manage to "reverse" the situation, ie, how did he manage to shift from the position of Witness n°1 to that of an "ordinary non-reliable" one.

Amitiés,
David