JtR failed amputation. Torso killer was successful.

[Abby Normal]

I don't see any evidence that the torso murderer(s) was especially interested in internal body parts.

all the torso victims had post mortem mutilation above and beyond what was needed for dismemberment-and internal organs were missing.

[Sam Flynn]

I donīt think he wanted to decapitate the Ripper victims at all, least of all Kelly. I think it was of the utmost importance to him that her head was in place

A practised dismemberer could have cut off her head and left it behind, posed in an appropriately macabre tableau. Along with other severed limbs, if the fancy took him.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Batman
Nahhh. . Torsoman seemed to be keeping parts-external as well as internal parts.

I don't see any evidence that the torso murderer(s) was especially interested in internal body parts.

[Fisherman]

I donīt think he wanted to decapitate the Ripper victims at all, least of all Kelly. I think it was of the utmost importance to him that her head was in place.

He cut savagely and all the way down to the bone. How could the vertebrae NOT be nicked, considering this?

[Abby Normal]

Seems this could be a very big strike against JtR being the Torso killer(s).

Kelly's amputated breasts by circular incisions demonstrate that JtR tried to amputate body parts. Her right arm was slightly abducted. Also, there are knife knotches found more than once on their vertebrates. Many of JtR's victim's heads are almost severed from their body.

Even if we debate if he was amputating, there is evidence he tried to do something, stopped and didn't follow through, especially with Kelly.

It seems these points jeopardize both attempts to give JtR some medical training and to associate him with the Torso murderer, who seems to have no problem with severing body parts and amputating them. For JtR, this is a problem and time limits can't be a factor, given we know with Kelly, he had lots of uninterrupted time to carry out his fantasies to the full.

Hi Batman
Nahhh. . Torsoman seemed to be keeping parts-external as well as internal parts.

The ripper (if he was also torsoman)couldn't very well take away a human head or leg or arm away from one of his victims very easily.

so he just went with internal parts he wanted for the ripper kills.

[John G]

Very good points, Batman. Particularly, as regards the Kelly case, where he would have had time to perform the decapitation ritual etc.

[Sam Flynn]

Good points, although I should point out that "abducted" was being used in a technical sense. It simply meant that the arm was lying at a slight angle to the torso, as opposed to being flush with the side. If you place your arms at your sides and then lift them away, you are "abducting" them.

[Batman]

Seems this could be a very big strike against JtR being the Torso killer(s).

Kelly's amputated breasts by circular incisions demonstrate that JtR tried to amputate body parts. Her right arm was slightly abducted. Also, there are knife knotches found more than once on their vertebrates. Many of JtR's victim's heads are almost severed from their body.

Even if we debate if he was amputating, there is evidence he tried to do something, stopped and didn't follow through, especially with Kelly.

It seems these points jeopardize both attempts to give JtR some medical training and to associate him with the Torso murderer, who seems to have no problem with severing body parts and amputating them. For JtR, this is a problem and time limits can't be a factor, given we know with Kelly, he had lots of uninterrupted time to carry out his fantasies to the full.