Was Mackenzie a copycat?

[Mr Lucky]

Hi Greg
Agree with you. Considering where these murders were taking place any of them could have been interrupted, most likely Stride, nichols, McKenzie.

Hi Abby

What about Coles?

[Mr Lucky]

I agree with you Mr. Lucky and hence the need to assess each case separately as the multiplicitists (sic) demand...

Hi Greg

Yes, assess each case separately as the multiplicitists demand (apart from Nichols and Chapman! )

[lynn cates]

Another 'orrible shove.

Hello David.

"But since Schwartz could alert a policeman, he killed Liz and disappeared."

"Constable, come quickly. Malicious lady shover at #40 Berner. May cause a Cachous spill."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Devo

Hello Greg. Thanks.

Devolution, then?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

JtR hasn't been interrupted in Berner Street.
But since Schwartz could alert a policeman, he killed Liz and disappeared.

[Abby Normal]

Gentlemen,

I'm not suggesting Polly's slayer wanted a uterus or anything else. I'm simply saying he may have heard Cross's footsteps and skedaddled before Cross saw him or the body. Or maybe he heard some old crone opening a window above the street......Who knows....? No evidence doesn't mean didn't happen...if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound...?

Maybe the desire for organs was evolutionary; he went from cutting to uterus to kidney to heart....if he only had a brain...!


Greg

Hi Greg
Agree with you. Considering where these murders were taking place any of them could have been interrupted, most likely Stride, nichols, McKenzie.

[GregBaron]

Unnatural selection...

Yes , the killer of Nichols could have been interrupted/ disturbed, I agree Who knows... indeed(only the killer), but on that basis the killer of any of the victim could have been interrupted, even Kelly. However, the two victims that are commonly believed to have been interrupted killings are those of Nichols and Stride, and both are only considered to have been interrupted due to what happened to the next victim. No one seen or heard fleeing in either case, No PC Thompson in either case.

I agree with you Mr. Lucky and hence the need to assess each case separately as the multiplicitists (sic) demand...

OK. But evolving towards what?

An evolution toward total possession of the victim as seen in other cannibal types........Perhaps?


Greg

[Mr Lucky]

I'm not suggesting Polly's slayer wanted a uterus or anything else. I'm simply saying he may have heard Cross's footsteps and skedaddled before Cross saw him or the body. Or maybe he heard some old crone opening a window above the street......Who knows....? No evidence doesn't mean didn't happen...if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound...?

Hi Greg,

Yes , the killer of Nichols could have been interrupted/ disturbed, I agree Who knows... indeed(only the killer), but on that basis the killer of any of the victim could have been interrupted, even Kelly. However, the two victims that are commonly believed to have been interrupted killings are those of Nichols and Stride, and both are only considered to have been interrupted due to what happened to the next victim. No one seen or heard fleeing in either case, No PC Thompson in either case.

[lynn cates]

evolving/devolving

Hello Greg.

"Maybe the desire for organs was evolutionary."

OK. But evolving towards what?

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Offal evolution...

Gentlemen,

I'm not suggesting Polly's slayer wanted a uterus or anything else. I'm simply saying he may have heard Cross's footsteps and skedaddled before Cross saw him or the body. Or maybe he heard some old crone opening a window above the street......Who knows....? No evidence doesn't mean didn't happen...if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound...?

Maybe the desire for organs was evolutionary; he went from cutting to uterus to kidney to heart....if he only had a brain...!


Greg

[lynn cates]

in utero

Hello Greg. Thanks.

Very well. But why even assume Polly's slayer wanted a uterus?

Cheers.
LC

[Mr Lucky]

Hi gentlemen,

I see no reason why Mr. Ripper couldn't have been interrupted by Cross at the end of the street. Nichols was warm and not long in situ.

Hi Greg

Well, Cross neither hears nor sees anyone flee the scene. The fact she was recently murdered isn't what's being questioned at all. However, if your suggestion that the killer was interrupted is correct and Cross just didn't notice, that doesn't change the fact that there was no attempt to extract Nichols uterus, but the killer has had enough time to attack her stomach lining. Llewellyn is a surgeon, yet he just calls the murder a 'brutal affair' not interrupted surgery.

In short, the fact a killer is interrupted does not automatically lead to the conclusion that he was attempting to steal the victims organs, and in this case there is no evidence Nichols killer was interrupted, or that he was trying to steal her organs.

[GregBaron]

Evidently no evidence...

My problem is that there is no evidence to support it. And ALL interruptions are in place to endorse a theory.

I have no theories Master Lynn except one: I theorize that a dozen women were murdered in London from 1888-91 by unknown assailants.....

If we stick to the evidence there is little to discuss and we might as well move to the Black Dahlia case...



Greg

[lynn cates]

pardon the interruption . . .

Hello Greg.

"I see no reason why Mr. Ripper couldn't have been interrupted by Cross at the end of the street."

Indeed. Nor that Stride's killer . . .

My problem is that there is no evidence to support it. And ALL interruptions are in place to endorse a theory.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

plans

Hello Mike. Thanks.

"Your point is understood Lynn. But I would again suggest that we do have tangible evidence that Polly's killer sought to open her abdomen, after choking her, and slicing her neck twice. Since Annie's killer does basically the same move in a different location, we might well "posit" about the poorly chosen first venue and the lack of extractions."

We might, GIVEN we knew what his plans (if any) were.

Cheers.
LC