Prater's stairs

[Wickerman]

Here's another example Pierre.

The 30ft width is 19mm/3 = 6.35mm each.



There are lots of examples across these maps to use so you can verify that 6.35mm is the unit that represents 10ft.

Then, superimpose a 6.35mm square on the back room No.13, and see the result.

[Wickerman]

Yes, Dorset St. is 25ft wide, but what scale are you measuring at?

For instance, the scale on the map is 40ft = 1 inch.
Brushfield St. is 40ft wide (property line to property line).
Have you printed this out so that Brushfield St. is 1 inch wide, in order to set your scale?

Just to be clear Pierre.
This is an example of what I meant above.

[richardh]

Jon
Here is a revise of the view from Prater's stairs regarding the corner, as per Hanbury st. stairs and hall configuration to show more of the partition:



thoughts?

[Wickerman]

[B]

I have figured them out. It is easy. Dorset Street was 25 ft = 7,62 m.

Put a ruler across the street on the map and you get 12 cm.

Yes, Dorset St. is 25ft wide, but what scale are you measuring at?

For instance, the scale on the map is 40ft = 1 inch.
Brushfield St. is 40ft wide (property line to property line).
Have you printed this out so that Brushfield St. is 1 inch wide, in order to set your scale?

[Stephen Thomas]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

Hi Richard

No we can't but a couple of feet here or there isn't worth worrying about.

What is important is the big picture.

(the Ordnance Survey map is probably more correct).

[Wickerman]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

In other words, you're out of your depth.

[Wickerman]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

Charles Goad built his business on these maps, in two countries.
On what grounds are we to challenge the dimensions provided?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

We can, if there's an alternate interpretation, lets see it.

[richardh]

Q: Is the Goad map scale reliable and accurate?

I know it doesn't care about window/door/opening positions and sizes but I'm talking about the buildings?

If yes then why can't we can establish an accurate measurement that we can all agree on?

[Pierre]

I was talking to Wickerman in the post above.

OK!

Regards Pierre

[Pierre]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

Hi Stephen,

If you were addressing me:

I have figured them out. It is easy. Dorset Street was 25 ft = 7,62 m.

Put a ruler across the street on the map and you get 12 cm.

Divide 7,62 by 12. You get that 1 cm = 0,63 m.

Measure the room in 13 Millerīs Court on the same map. It is 4,5 * 8,5 centimeters.

Convert this into meters by multiplying 4,5 and 8,5 with 0,63 respectively.

The measures of the walls in the room in 13 Millerīs Court were 2,85 and 5,39 meters.

Multiply these and you find out that the room was 15,42 square meters.

Regards Pierre

[Stephen Thomas]

I was talking to Wickerman in the post above.

[Stephen Thomas]

You're talking bollocks, mate.

If you have the definitive measurements for room 13 then please tell.

Nobody else has figured them out so far.

[richardh]

17.6 ft X 9.3 ft ??

[Pierre]

Stephen.
Before you put pen to paper, it is advisable to verify your sources.

Q1 - What size was Kelly's room?

Ans:
- "about 12ft. square," (Star)
- "about 15ft. square," (Daily Telegraph)
Which is it?

The Goad Plan shows Kelly's room was not "square".
Therefore, both press estimates are questionable.

Here a 10ft 'hatched' square, derived straight from the Goads scale, is superimposed on Kelly's room. In fact I draw two 10ft squares side-by-side, so we can see that Kelly's room is an extra half-width of a second 10ft square.



Therefore, according to Goads scale of 40ft = 1", the answer to Q1 is:
- Kelly's room is a nominal, 15ft x 10ft.

Finally, the Whitechapel Board of Works published the fact that House 6 in Millers Court was 12ft x 12ft, and the Goads Plan does support the fact that House 6 is certainly "square", whereas Kelly's room is not square.
Also, Kelly's room is wider than House 6, so wider than 12ft.

These are your sources Stephen.
Care to choose the most likely reliable source?

Only then, can we put pen to paper.

Calculation using Goadīs give:

The measures of the walls were 2,85 and 5,39 meters.

Number 13 was 15,42 square meters.

[Wickerman]

Stephen.
Before you put pen to paper, it is advisable to verify your sources.

Q1 - What size was Kelly's room?

Ans:
- "about 12ft. square," (Star)
- "about 15ft. square," (Daily Telegraph)
Which is it?

The Goad Plan shows Kelly's room was not "square".
Therefore, both press estimates are questionable.

Here a 10ft 'hatched' square, derived straight from the Goads scale, is superimposed on Kelly's room. In fact I draw two 10ft squares side-by-side, so we can see that Kelly's room is an extra half-width of a second 10ft square.



Therefore, according to Goads scale of 40ft = 1", the answer to Q1 is:
- Kelly's room is a nominal, 15ft x 10ft.

Finally, the Whitechapel Board of Works published the fact that House 6 in Millers Court was 12ft x 12ft, and the Goads Plan does support the fact that House 6 is certainly "square", whereas Kelly's room is not square.
Also, Kelly's room is wider than House 6, so wider than 12ft.

These are your sources Stephen.
Care to choose the most likely reliable source?

Only then, can we put pen to paper.