Mary Jane Kelly finally named ..?

[GUT]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mary changed her last name, told her parents that she had married a Kelly so their mail would reach her, and chose one of the most common Irish surnames as a cover.

Well it is a possibility, but be hard to prove.

[Rosella]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mary changed her last name, told her parents that she had married a Kelly so their mail would reach her, and chose one of the most common Irish surnames as a cover.

[GUT]

Sevenoaks looks the best bet for that.

Thank you.

[Bridewell]

Any in the hop picking route?

Sevenoaks looks the best bet for that.

[Debra A]

Of course, if Mary Kelly wasn't even her real name, then the whole thing's a wild goose chase.

There has to be a starting point and the premise that she was called Mary Jane Kelly is what the author of 'Ripped', the subject of this thread, chose to start with in her research.

[Harry D]

Of course, if Mary Kelly wasn't even her real name, then the whole thing's a wild goose chase.

[Debra A]

The important thing is that the record included the maiden name of Malone for the mother, Mary Jane, and the father was Peter Dyer.

[Robert]

Shouldn't it be Mariae Johannae?

[Debra A]

Here's a Catholic baptism record in Latin for a child of Peter Dyer and Mary Jane (formerly Malone),Andrew Francis Dyer born and baptised in 1889. This child died in 1890 so does not appear in the 1891 census entry at 8 Barlow Street.


Baptism: 24 Mar 1889 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancs.
Andreas Franciscus Dyer - filius Petri Dyer & Maria Johanna (formerly Malone)
Born: 5 Feb 1889
God Parents: Robertus Dyer; Ellena Maria Dyer
Baptised by: Thos. Byrne
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1903, Page 176
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Transcription by Lancashire Online Parish Clerks:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/index.html

[Debra A]

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[GUT]

According to the AA Route Finder there are 41 Dorset Streets in GB.

How many within a few hundred miles of London?

Any in the hop picking route?

[Bridewell]

Just for interest-there were 15 Catholic baptisms in Dublin between 1855 and 1869 where the child was baptised with the full name 'Mary Jane Kelly'

One of those girls, born and baptised in 1855, had an address of 15 Dorset St and a father named John Kelly.
A couple of years back someone posted on casebook a letter sent to a newspaper after Eddowes murder that suggested Eddowes pawn ticket for Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset St was actually 6 Dorset St., Dublin. I checked the 1891 census for both 6 Upper and 6 Lower Dorset St., Dublin and there were Kellys living at both addresses!

According to the AA Route Finder there are 41 Dorset Streets in GB.

[Debra A]

And Jonathon has the cheek to complain about lack of interest..

[Debra A]

Limerick records are thin on the ground whilst a large number of Dublin Catholic records have been digitised.

Just for interest-there were 15 Catholic baptisms in Dublin between 1855 and 1869 where the child was baptised with the full name 'Mary Jane Kelly'

One of those girls, born and baptised in 1855, had an address of 15 Dorset St and a father named John Kelly.
A couple of years back someone posted on casebook a letter sent to a newspaper after Eddowes murder that suggested Eddowes pawn ticket for Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset St was actually 6 Dorset St., Dublin. I checked the 1891 census for both 6 Upper and 6 Lower Dorset St., Dublin and there were Kellys living at both addresses!

[Debra A]

A very wonderful priest in south Louisiana went through all of the sacramental registers in every Catholic Church & courthouse records, indexed them, & published them in about 42 volumes. Since I did some of the research for him, I was allowed to look at the original records, which only diocesan archivists can do now. There are entries called 'marginalia' where the priest would sometimes write down information of a more intimate detail.

Are the Catholic Church records for the East End digital only, or are researchers allowed or read the original records, white gloves in hand? I ask because when a researcher has the original primary document, phonetic spellings (or misspellings become evident) & every other Catholic girl had the first name of Mary, Marie or Maria, as a baptismal name, but could be known by her middle name. Here it's Marie for girls, e.g., Marie Carmelite, who could be called Carmelite or Melite even on a marriage or death record, or Jean Baptiste Albert & known as Albert. Then if the priest has any comments regarding parentage or legitimacy, he puts the notes in the marginalia 'saucy mother' fille naturel de Jean Baptiste Albert Dugas & his servant, slave, neighbor, take your pick. Always fascinating reading, those priests did enjoy their gossip.

Just wondering whether MJK could have gone by another name or than baptismal.

Hi Rosemary

I agree with most of what Amanda said in her reply.

The Irish Catholic records are one avenue that might turn something up in the future after full digitisation. At present it is difficult for a researcher to search the actual records without even having a clue as to which parish to start in.

The records for Irish Catholic baptism and marriages are slowly being digitised (these are usually high resolution images of the whole page front and back and any bits of paper attached so marginal notes would be totally visible in digitised records too.) but not all counties in Ireland have transcribed or digitised their Catholic Church records. Limerick records are thin on the ground whilst a large number of Dublin Catholic records have been digitised.