Miller's Court after Kelly...........

[Losmandris]

Prior to redevelopment original Dorset street is marked in red the rest is self explanatory ! An old thread off here

Thanks Christian and Sam! This makes sense now.

[Leanne]

Prior to redevelopment original Dorset street is marked in red the rest is self explanatory ! An old thread off here

YOU ARE CORRECT.
I also found an old message from 2011 about a petition that was made to save the site:

I'm torn on this one. The line of Dorset Street still exists, sort of, but it's been shifted to the north and, the last I heard, access to the current service road is often barred by a locked gate. In any event, I've always found this to be the most disappointing of the C5 sites: I never got much of a sense of place, or time, by looking at that chipped curb stone. And, whatever building they're planning, it would have to be really ugly to be uglier than the car park.

I've signed petitions about, or objections to, the destruction of other East End sites, but this one was ruined so long ago that I'm not sure it's worth the effort to save what little is left.

[Sam Flynn]

Thats about the size of it as I see it also Mark. The rooms, and floors were reconfigured often, and re-numbered. Likely based on the tenants needs..single, family, etc...

Despite the possibility of the rooms being re-numbered occasionally, that doesn't alter the fact that Prater explicitly said that she lived at the front room above the shed, and that there was a couple occupying the room directly above Mary Kelly. "m_w_r", who is right on so many things, was wrong on this specific point.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Trevor and Debs,



My view is that Elizabeth Prater lived directly above Mary Jane Kelly, and that, at some point between 1888 and 1898, room 19 became room 20 and room 20 became room 19. That doesn't sound like a very neat solution, but I find it hard to understand the significance of Elizabeth Prater's evidence in the Mary Jane Kelly case unless she were living very close to room 13. Overhead makes perfect sense - she's an ear-witness, and I think the value of her evidence diminishes rapidly if you suppose that she was living on the other side of the building. I think we know of her specifically because, well, she said that she had heard something, which made her a possible witness to something, and also because she was in such close proximity to the room in which the murder undoubtedly took place as to make her evidence of special importance. There are other factors - I think I remember her saying that she heard noises from the court, which I suspect would have been a more difficult judgement to make from the position of the front of the house - and Stewart Evans laid these out quite clearly in an interesting thread which still exists somewhere on these boards.


Regards,

Mark

Thats about the size of it as I see it also Mark. The rooms, and floors were reconfigured often, and re-numbered. Likely based on the tenants needs..single, family, etc...

[Christian]

Prior to redevelopment original Dorset street is marked in red the rest is self explanatory ! An old thread off here

[Robert]

No it didn't, Leanne. As I understand it, there was a private road which was slightly out of alignment with what used to be Dorset St.

[Leanne]

So dorset street still existed!

[Leanne]

https://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2012-10-10/decision-over-demolition-of-fruit-and-wool-exchange/

[Leanne]

I just found this:

Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether one of London's most historic streets faces demolition. Developers want to build a new office block on the site of the Fruit and Wool Exchange and Dorset Street in Spitalfields, best known as the scene of Jack the Ripper's last murder.


Last updated Sun 20 Jul 2014

[Leanne]

I am so confused.

That last link I gave shows a photo of a fruit auction house that backs onto what was 'The Worst Street in London' (Dorset Street). There are cobble stones in the foreground, as if they were kept as a memorial.

Is the photographer standing outside looking in, or where these cobble stones kept inside a building, that was built right over the top of them?

[Sam Flynn]

This is the impression that I got. That the buildings on either side of it were demolished, but the road itself remained in its original state

It didn't. The original buildings and the road were long gone by the time those colour photos were taken.

[Leanne]

I just found a London Times article 'THE WORST STREET IN LONDON SET FOR 200M POUND REDEVELOPMENT'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/worst-street-in-london-set-for-pound200m-redevelopment-fm6zmnxqt3p

[Losmandris]

Looking from the opposite direction

This is the impression that I got. That the buildings on either side of it were demolished, but the road itself remained in its original state (all be it with the name change.)

[Leanne]

Looking from the opposite direction

[Leanne]

then they did this!