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  • Losmandris
    Sergeant
    • May 2019
    • 717

    #151
    Originally posted by Leanne View Post
    A lot of 'peaked caps'!!!!
    Best wishes,

    Tristan

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    • Sam Flynn
      Casebook Supporter
      • Feb 2008
      • 13333

      #152
      Originally posted by Losmandris View Post

      A lot of 'peaked caps'!!!!
      What's Lenin doing there? Second row, on the right (ironically) https://youtu.be/smXKyg0Qk0g?t=37
      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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      • APerno
        Detective
        • Jul 2011
        • 329

        #153
        God that is a wonderful video. I love the watch hawker auctioning off his wares; the prissy lady in black behind the table of cloth keeping herself above it all; it even looks as though a couple of the Americans snuck in, one in a white Panama hat and cigarette and the other looking like a half a cowboy with a tie.

        And yea that guy looks like a young Lenin; wonder if the date works age wise?
        Last edited by APerno; 06-10-2019, 09:51 PM.

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        • Leanne
          Detective
          • Apr 2019
          • 459

          #154
          In those days a man rarely left the house without a hat and the type of hat said a lot about the person. That's why police often asked "What type of hat had he?"
          The bowlers signified city dwellers visiting and the caps were worn by local poorer people, workers. I'm looking up the panamas...…..

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          • Wickerman
            Commissioner
            • Oct 2008
            • 14900

            #155
            Originally posted by Leanne View Post
            In those days a man rarely left the house without a hat and the type of hat said a lot about the person. That's why police often asked "What type of hat had he?"
            The bowlers signified city dwellers visiting and the caps were worn by local poorer people, workers. I'm looking up the panamas...…..
            Quite true Leanne.
            In fact in a highly class conscious society the man's attire would identify the class, or profession of the person. Item's of attire like the hat, shoes, spats, style of jacket all helped to identify the type of person. A point perhaps lost on the youth of today.

            Headwear was equally important for the woman, only children were permitted to be seen in public without a hat. All respectable females wore a variety of hats depending on the occasion & time of day. Young women of the night were identified by them not wearing a hat after the sun went down, the sign of an immoral woman.
            Regards, Jon S.

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            • Sam Flynn
              Casebook Supporter
              • Feb 2008
              • 13333

              #156
              Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
              Young women of the night were identified by them not wearing a hat after the sun went down, the sign of an immoral woman.
              Would that apply to poor women of good morals who couldn't afford a hat?
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • Leanne
                Detective
                • Apr 2019
                • 459

                #157
                [QUOTE=Wickerman;n712929]

                Quite true Leanne.
                In fact in a highly class conscious society the man's attire would identify the class, or profession of the person. Item's of attire like the hat, shoes, spats, style of jacket all helped to identify the type of person.

                So if Jack wanted to fool a victim, hide and or confuse eyewitnesses all he had to do was steal or find a different hat and/or jacket?

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                • Wickerman
                  Commissioner
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 14900

                  #158
                  Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                  Would that apply to poor women of good morals who couldn't afford a hat?
                  Thats what the scarf was for.
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • Wickerman
                    Commissioner
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 14900

                    #159
                    [QUOTE=Leanne;n712934]
                    Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                    Quite true Leanne.
                    In fact in a highly class conscious society the man's attire would identify the class, or profession of the person. Item's of attire like the hat, shoes, spats, style of jacket all helped to identify the type of person.

                    So if Jack wanted to fool a victim, hide and or confuse eyewitnesses all he had to do was steal or find a different hat and/or jacket?
                    Fool them in what way?, all he is doing is disguising his class.
                    People of all professions wore the clothes associated with that profession. A solicitor would never wear tweed, that was reserved for people connected with the land, like farmers, Gentry land-owner, and gamekeeper. The morning coat was normally reserved for office workers; clerks, bookkeepers, sales agents, etc.
                    When we read in these reports "was he dressed like a clerk?", or "like a drover?", this is precisely why. People were expected to dress according to their status in life.
                    All I'm pointing out is there is more behind "the hat", that was merely a small part of the issue.
                    Regards, Jon S.

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                    • Leanne
                      Detective
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 459

                      #160
                      [QUOTE=Wickerman;n712940]
                      Originally posted by Leanne View Post

                      Fool them in what way?, all he is doing is disguising his class.
                      People of all professions wore the clothes associated with that profession. A solicitor would never wear tweed, that was reserved for people connected with the land, like farmers, Gentry land-owner, and gamekeeper. The morning coat was normally reserved for office workers; clerks, bookkeepers, sales agents, etc.
                      When we read in these reports "was he dressed like a clerk?", or "like a drover?", this is precisely why. People were expected to dress according to their status in life.
                      All I'm pointing out is there is more behind "the hat", that was merely a small part of the issue.
                      Cause police to search for a wealthy man visiting or 'slumming', when in fact Jack was a poor local that everyone knew (including prostitutes} and felt safe with? I meant to disguise himself, making eyewitness testimonies useless and misleading.

                      If a solicitor wanted to hide in the area all he had to do was wear tweed?????
                      A local costermonger simply had to wear someone's misplaced morning coat and a bit of black fluff under his nose to fool Mary Kelly?

                      DID JACK LIVE BY SOCIETIES RULES?

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                      • Leanne
                        Detective
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 459

                        #161
                        Was Jack a Jew who wanted to give police a clue with the Graffitto?

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                        • Sam Flynn
                          Casebook Supporter
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 13333

                          #162
                          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                          Thats what the scarf was for.
                          Indeed, but it's very common to see women of that era wearing neither hats nor scarves, and I daresay many of them were of perfectly good character.
                          Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                          "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                          • Leanne
                            Detective
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 459

                            #163
                            Boundary Street?
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                            • Joshua Rogan
                              Assistant Commissioner
                              • Jul 2015
                              • 3205

                              #164
                              Originally posted by Leanne View Post
                              In those days a man rarely left the house without a hat and the type of hat said a lot about the person. That's why police often asked "What type of hat had he?"
                              The bowlers signified city dwellers visiting and the caps were worn by local poorer people, workers. I'm looking up the panamas...…..
                              The significance of some items of clothing can change over time though. For instance, I believe the bowler hat was worn more by the working class in the Victorian age, only becoming associated with city gents around WW1

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                              • Leanne
                                Detective
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 459

                                #165
                                Originally posted by Leanne View Post
                                Boundary Street?
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