Ideas to explain the ferocity of MJK's murder

[Wickerman]

I read recently that some sort of expert had determined from looking at the photos that MK's leg had been split by an axe. Is that accurate?

That was Nick Warren, he was a surgeon. It was only a suggestion, nothing indisputable. I think it was the apparent split in the right thighbone that led in part to that suggestion. It may not have been a split bone though, just a trick of shadows.
I don't think the idea gained a lot of favor, I'm surprised he even offered it.

What about the possibility the Mary Kelly was in the middle of being dismembered when something interrupted the ripper and he left quickly before the job was finished.

Precisely my thoughts. Given the inconsistent areas of mutilation, and most apparently incomplete, I have to wonder if he intended to go further but was interrupted by something.

[barnflatwyngarde]

How does anyone know there was ferocity here? Ferocity implies a frenetic savagery. I believe he took his time and kept at it because he wasn't satisfied. I don't think it was because of a particular hatred for this woman over another.

Mike

I agree with The Good Michael.

I don't think we can assume that the ferocity of the attack negates the possibility that the killer may have been deliberate and studied in his mutilations.

Perhaps the killer found himself in a sort of psychopathic nirvana within the confines of Millers Court.

After the hurried mutilations of the previous killings, he found himself in a private room that was well lit and unlikely to be be disturbed as he took his time and finally realised most of the fantasies that had been rattling around his head for a long time.

Ferocious?
Yes!

Slow and methodical?
Quite possibly!

[John Wheat]

Maybe the greater ferocity was down to Mary Kelly reminding Jack of his mother.

[RockySullivan]

There was speculation, wasn't there, that attempts had been made to get the head of Eddowes? Maybe Jack tried the same trick with Mary with his knife and that was what the axe found in her room was going to be used for. (I'm not suggesting he brought it. It was probably used by Mary/Joe for chopping kindling.) Perhaps there was movement in the Court outside and he thought better of it.

I read recently that some sort of expert had determined from looking at the photos that MK's leg had been split by an axe. Is that accurate?

[Rosella]

There was speculation, wasn't there, that attempts had been made to get the head of Eddowes? Maybe Jack tried the same trick with Mary with his knife and that was what the axe found in her room was going to be used for. (I'm not suggesting he brought it. It was probably used by Mary/Joe for chopping kindling.) Perhaps there was movement in the Court outside and he thought better of it.

[RockySullivan]

What about the possibility the Mary Kelly was in the middle of being dismembered when something interrupted the ripper and he left quickly before the job was finished.

[shinealight11]

I've been following JTR for more years than I care to remember. Last year my teenage niece got hold of one of my books on the subject.

She didn't read the text but she took the book to school. I think she has permanently traumatised her year level, as most have now seen the Millers Court photos and Catherine Eddowes mortuary photo, and many went back for a second look!

Yes. I sometimes think the "No-Face" we keep staring at in this case is not Jack's, but Mary's.

[The Good Michael]

Going back to the very beginning of this thread, I'm afraid I'm in the camp of Jack's ferocity gradually increasing with each of his murders (Stride's excepted as I believe he was interrupted.) I think Mary Kelly's body would have been similarly treated by him even if she didn't have a private room to take him to. The room just enabled him to take his time without interruption.

Time=Greater ferocity? I disagree. I think the escalation had to do with what came after the initial ferocious attack, rather than a greater ferocity in the aftermath of the attack. I don't even see how that could be proved.

Mike

[Rosella]

You are not alone, Shinealight11. Hello, from a fellow newbie.

I've been following JTR for more years than I care to remember. Last year my teenage niece got hold of one of my books on the subject.

She didn't read the text but she took the book to school. I think she has permanently traumatised her year level, as most have now seen the Millers Court photos and Catherine Eddowes mortuary photo, and many went back for a second look!

Going back to the very beginning of this thread, I'm afraid I'm in the camp of Jack's ferocity gradually increasing with each of his murders (Stride's excepted as I believe he was interrupted.) I think Mary Kelly's body would have been similarly treated by him even if she didn't have a private room to take him to. The room just enabled him to take his time without interruption.

[shinealight11]

We don't unless we wish to explain the word 'ferocity'. I don't think the word has merit here. This seems to me nothing but place, light, and time.

As bad luck would have it, I was exposed to the 13 Miller's Court photograph at a very young age. It might be that I'm incapable of looking at it dispassionately. I'm probably more in need of a psychologist than a JtR forum

[The Good Michael]

Why do we need an explanation other than "he was indoors and had more time'

We don't unless we wish to explain the word 'ferocity'. I don't think the word has merit here. This seems to me nothing but place, light, and time.

Mike

[GUT]

Why do we need an explanation other than "he was indoors and had more time'

and he was a right B....

[John Wheat]

Why do we need an explanation other than "he was indoors and had more time'

I'm not sure we do.

Cheers John

[Damaso Marte]

Why do we need an explanation other than "he was indoors and had more time'

[John Wheat]

Maybe Jack knew Mary Jane Kelly.