MJK2/MJK3 Hand comparison

[richardh]

Ohhh, Positioning!

I'll work on that.

Regarding the right arm on the mattress... I'm working on that too

[Debra A]

What's not the same? the positioning or the shadowing?

The light is now pointing toward the hand, illuminating the same point as in MJK3. The shadowing UNDER the arm is academic as this isn't seen in MJK3 anyway.

Hit me with suggestions.

Positioning- if it were a thumb, to recreate that the index finger would cross over on the first joint?

And while you are here- if you laid MJK's right shoulder down flat on the bed on the full length view what would happen? You have her shoulder 6 inches above a very lumpy mattress? I'm asking here.

[richardh]

Nope, not the same. Sorry.

What's not the same? the positioning or the shadowing?

The light is now pointing toward the hand, illuminating the same point as in MJK3. The shadowing UNDER the arm is academic as this isn't seen in MJK3 anyway.

Hit me with suggestions.

[richardh]

I still think that the, "right hand on the far right side of the bed" issue is of more interest.
I don't think that was ever resolved.

Yeah, The right hand/arm positioning in MJK2 is a work in progress. I have some opinions on that which I fear may meet with resistance!

[Debra A]

okay. How about this?

Nope, not the same. Sorry.

[Wickerman]

To me, MJK3 has past the left hand confirmation test at least.

How much do you want to bet that a certain 'someone' will not believe it?

I still think that the, "right hand on the far right side of the bed" issue is of more interest.
I don't think that was ever resolved.

[richardh]

The shadowing effect is different. Your thumb has horizontal shadow, MJK3 shows vertical shadow in the part that faces the camera, as all the objects in MJK3 do?

okay. How about this?

[Monty]

My view also.

Monty

[Debra A]

Although in the interest of fairness it is possible to get the right hand in an identical position.



BUT if the LEFT hand position in MJK3 corresponds with the LEFT hand position in MJK2 (which we know is the real deal) then what are the odds of getting all those anatomical landmarks spot-on in a mock-up? if the creators purposefully used someone's right hand (for what ever reason) then they hit a real fluke getting things lined up.

To me, MJK3 has past the left hand confirmation test at least.

The shadowing effect is different. Your thumb has horizontal shadow, MJK3 shows vertical shadow in the part that faces the camera, as all the objects in MJK3 do?

[richardh]

Although in the interest of fairness it is possible to get the right hand in an identical position.



BUT if the LEFT hand position in MJK3 corresponds with the LEFT hand position in MJK2 (which we know is the real deal) then what are the odds of getting all those anatomical landmarks spot-on in a mock-up? if the creators purposefully used someone's right hand (for what ever reason) then they hit a real fluke getting things lined up.

To me, MJK3 has passed the left hand confirmation test at least.
(edit: corrected a spelling typo)

[Debra A]

Excellent. I'm only saying that because that is what I see!

[richardh]

Another 3D effort to demonstrate the position of the left hand between MJK2 & MJK3.

Explaination:

I put the two photos side by side and positioned TWO cameras into the MJK2 & MJK3 positions.
I created a 3D render of the left hand based on MJK2 and positioned it as close as possible to the position of the left hand in the photo.
I added landmarks (coloured balls) to the 3D left hand.
When I was satisfied with the result of the 3D based on MJK2, I checked what it looked like from the MJK3 camera with MJK3 image in the background.

The results are set out here:







1) Look at the Blue, Orange and Cyan dots in MJK2 - that's the little finger curled under the hand.
2) Looked at the same dots on MJK3 - they line up.
3) looked at the shadowing on the little finger in the 4th image. From the cyan dot you will note that the little finger descends into shadow - as it does on the MJK3 photo.
4) the styloid processes and the shadow of the wrist all line up.

My opinion:

I am firmly of the opinion that we are seeing a left hand in MJK3 and when I created this 3D setup (below) I came to the conclusion that, IF MJK3 is a mock-up (or fake) of the MJK crime scene, then whoever was responsible got the left hand pretty much spot on in terms of positioning. The dots match up in both images.

2) The hand showing in MJK3 is the LEFT hand.