MJK1 and MJK3

[Monty]

We don't know for a fact that more than one was taken of Mary, herself.

We don't know for a fact there wasn't either.

We do know more than one photo was taken, it would be illogical that others were not taken of the scene.

Monty

[jmenges]

Apparently having the photographer stay inside the room until 4:30 in the afternoon was to freak him out, rather than have him take more than one photograph.

JM

[Monty]

Hello Monty,


Am I correct in reading this post to mean you have evidence to show that there were, with certainty, French Officers around Millers Court? Woiuld you mind sharing this direct evidence with us? (We know that members of the Irish Constabulary were hanging around Millers Court...but French?

Also, it is all very well to believe that this photo was one of a set, which you are very entitled to and fair enough, but based on the Bertillion Crime Scene photographic recovery process, exactly what evidence have you that

a) it IS one of a set
b) it IS of a crime scene a la Bertillion

No, am not trying to extract the urine either. Just would like, quite respectfully, dead straight answers¨if that is possible?

Fair enough if it is just a suggestion too. But to introduce the thought without explaining a known detail referring TO Millers Court is spreading the jam a little thick on the toast?... Just how I see and read it. No offence intended here at all.

Phil

No Phil,

That is not what I am stating. I am saying that practices were shared, and that the Met and City police made trips to Paris in order to learn those practices.

The French police were pioneers in forensics at that time, and were already using the camera to photograph crime scenes. It was only natural that the Met followed suit.

Monty

[Daisyhall1]

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2480&page=4

Simon mentions some time ago the table was a different height to the original? The hand at the bottom looks to be the photographer's/ assistant's hand- the blurry image to the left of that,possibly his left hand.The 2 strips on the table which clearly overhang the table- cloth or skin?

[Phil Carter]

No Phil,

That is not what I am stating. I am saying that practices were shared, and that the Met and City police made trips to Paris in order to learn those practices.

The French police were pioneers in forensics at that time, and were already using the camera to photograph crime scenes. It was only natural that the Met followed suit.

Monty

Hello Monty,

Thanks for the reply.

And the answers to the other questions perhaps?

"exactly what evidence have you that

a) it IS one of a set
b) it IS of a crime scene a la Bertillion"


Most appreciated. Thank you.


Phil

[Amanda Sumner]

We don't know for a fact there wasn't either.

We do know more than one photo was taken, it would be illogical that others were not taken of the scene.

Monty

I agree, and we do know that at least one photo was taken of the outside of the dwelling.

[Amanda Sumner]

There is no doubt that more than one photo was taken at the scene, but Macnaghten only mentions one taken of Mary.
There has been nothing ever written about others taken of her, that I am aware of. Everything else is conjecture. We simply do not know.
Which is why its provenance before 1970 would have been useful.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Here's my post-modern nomination for Nick Warren's side-splitting femur idea.

A pair of coal tongs similar to these.



Regards,

Simon

[Amanda Sumner]

Hi All,

Here's my post-modern nomination for Nick Warren's side-splitting femur idea.

A pair of coal tongs similar to these.

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Regards,

Simon

Certainly the end of the tongs look similar....

[Wickerman]

[QUOTE=Amanda Sumner;304673]

An Autopsy is a Post-mortem, but a Post-mortem is not an Autopsy.

Any examination of a dead body is a post-mortem, but only the official examination authorized by the Coroner, and required to be submitted at an Inquest, is an Autopsy.

Dr bond conducted a post-mortem on the remains of Mary Kelly on Friday 9th Nov. as requested by Anderson in order to give Anderson his opinion on whether the wounds showed evidence of skill - that is all that he was requested to do.

Dr. Phillips conducted the Autopsy, ordered by Macdonald Saturday morning.
You appear to confuse one, with the other.QUOTE]


That is incorrect. An autopsy is an Americanism for postmortem. They are both the same thing.

I'm not going to repeat myself my dear.
One thing worse than someone who will not listen, is someone who will not learn.

"The term "autopsy" derives from the Ancient Greek autopsia, "to see for oneself", derived from αυτος (autos, "oneself") and όψις (opsis, "sight, view").[13] The word “autopsy” has been used since around the 17th century, it refers to the examination of inside the dead human body to discover diseases and cause of death."

In British Law it is a legally defined procedure.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Wickerman,

Are you normally so hugely patronizing to your wife?

Regards,

Simon

[richardh]

OMG is Wickerman married to Amanda?

Hi Wickerman,

Are you normally so hugely patronizing to your wife?

Regards,

Simon

[GUT]

OMG is Wickerman married to Amanda?

OMG Jon I am so sorry! I didn't know.

[Amanda Sumner]

[QUOTE=Wickerman;304838]

I'm not going to repeat myself my dear.
One thing worse than someone who will not listen, is someone who will not learn.

"The term "autopsy" derives from the Ancient Greek autopsia, "to see for oneself", derived from αυτος (autos, "oneself") and όψις (opsis, "sight, view").[13] The word “autopsy” has been used since around the 17th century, it refers to the examination of inside the dead human body to discover diseases and cause of death."

In British Law it is a legally defined procedure.

Wickerman, my dear.

I was wrong...I admit it , I said it was Americanism, I was wrong. They use the word but do not use the word postmortem for an autopsy, but in English English, the former came into common use around 1850. We use postmortem examination, postmortem for short, more often than autopsy. However, dear, they mean exactly the same thing.

[Amanda Sumner]

OMG Jon I am so sorry! I didn't know.

It's news to me too, Gut but, alas, I do not have that pleasurable, I'm sure, status in his life.