MJK1 and MJK3

[Natasha]

I have suggested that perhaps the photo was taken the wrong way round on the other photo. So if half of you think it's a right hand then what are you saying?
Are you saying the photo is fake (not addressed to you Amanda, I know what you think about this)?
Or is it possible that the photos were taken in reverse?

[Rob Clack]

Ha! Just found this in the disserations....Larry S Barbee

"After more than a hundred years the case is still fascinating, and results are still being gotten through research. Nick Warren, a student of the crimes and a practicing surgeon, studied the second Kelly crime scene photograph that was recently recovered, and was able to establish that a hatchet was used by the Ripper to split one of his victim's legs!"

Glad to know my memory is at least partially working!

Hi Brenda,

Nick Warren assumed a hatchet was used because of a newspaper report from 'The Globe' about 1891? stating that a visitor to The Black Museum saw a hatchet used in a Whitechapel (or words to that effect)murder and erroneously assumed it was used on Mary Kelly when in fact it was by the murderer Henry Wainwright on Harriet Lane in 1876.

Rob

[Debra A]

Hi Debra,

You sure do keep your light well hidden under a bushel.

Who'da ever guessed you were an expert in the 3D structure of molecular formulae and the principles of reverse perspective?

You astound me more with every passing day.

Regards,

Simon

And you disappoint me more.

[Trevor Marriott]

No,the position of the body shows it must be a little finger. The conspiracy theorists say it is a thumb.

Well I have looked at it in detail for the first time a short time ago and can only say what I see and have given logical and sensible reasons for suggesting it is the thumb of a right hand

I am not one of your conspirators !

[Natasha]

Hi All

Going slightly off topic, but still connected to weather the photos are of the same body. Some people were questioning weather the photographer's assistant etc may have got his thumb in the picture by accident, by the right knee, the knee with the cut like garter. I think it's part of the thigh bone. It looks like it has been pulled at. You can sort of see this in both pics.

[Brenda]

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Ha! Just found this in the disserations....Larry S Barbee

"After more than a hundred years the case is still fascinating, and results are still being gotten through research. Nick Warren, a student of the crimes and a practicing surgeon, studied the second Kelly crime scene photograph that was recently recovered, and was able to establish that a hatchet was used by the Ripper to split one of his victim's legs!"

Glad to know my memory is at least partially working!

[Brenda]

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That's okay, Brenda. I know it was Nick Warren , surgeon saying that. The point was-was he right? And if you think not can we really be certain anyone with medical training really has any clue?

I do remember this split femur thing spurring on a theory that perhaps the Ripper may have also utilized an ax.

I have no medical training, and honestly the photo is just a mess as far as I am concerned, so I really can't make any meaningful assessments. All I know is that IF that is femur, it is puzzling how using a knife only could have cut so clean lengthwise.

As far as Nick Warren, I am googling but so far can only come up with his assessment of the Eddowes murder.

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Thank you for forwarding my PM to Debra.

Regards,

Simon

No probs Simon

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Debra,

You sure do keep your light well hidden under a bushel.

Who'da ever guessed you were an expert in the 3D structure of molecular formulae and the principles of reverse perspective?

You astound me more with every passing day.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Thanks for the pm forward, Neil.
Changes nothing.

No probs Debs.

Monty

[Debra A]

I am not aware anyone is but wasn't an issue as to whether it was a thumb or pinkie the position of the body shows that it must be a thumb

No,the position of the body shows it must be a little finger. The conspiracy theorists say it is a thumb.

[Trevor Marriott]

OK Trevor....and who is saying that happened?

Think molecular formula and their 3D structure, think reverse perspective.

I am not aware anyone is but wasn't an issue as to whether it was a thumb or pinkie the position of the body shows that it must be a thumb

[Debra A]

I'm really not sure!! I just remember a LOT of discussion and someone outlining it like I have just done. In my opinion, I don't see how such a clean cut split femur could be accomplished without a bone saw.

That's okay, Brenda. I know it was Nick Warren , surgeon saying that. The point was-was he right? And if you think not can we really be certain anyone with medical training really has any clue?

[Brenda]

The split femur as claimed by Nick Warren, surgeon, Brenda?

I'm really not sure!! I just remember a LOT of discussion and someone outlining it like I have just done. In my opinion, I don't see how such a clean cut split femur could be accomplished without a bone saw.

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob,

No, it's observant.

Regards,

Simon

Thanks, looking forward to your book.