MJK1 and MJK3

[Rob Clack]

Amanda,
I my opinion the space you see between 'thumb' and finger is either shadow and/or blood stain. Also, the 'pattern of cloth' you mention is, again in my opinion, just artifact and noise resulting from degradation of a multiple-copied, umpteen-zoomed, many-'enhanced' digital image. In short the image we are using is too shite to discern any valuable, trustworthy and accurate information.

Not on my copy which is straight from the original. There is a pattern on the cloth between the table and the bed.

Rob

[Rob Clack]

Thanks Rob old bean!
Wow, how did I miss the obvious? It's not a traingle it's really an inverted 'Gull' and MJK's left hand is really John Netley's, I can clearly see the hairy knuckles ..Now, who was it said that the Royal Conspiracy was a load of crap? They were totally wrong.

Nothing like a clear image for the doubters to ignore.

But here's one for Phil as I know he rather look at poor, low resolution copies instead of nice clear images.

I am sure he will find all sorts of interesting things in this picture.



Rob

[richardh]

Amanda,
I my opinion the space you see between 'thumb' and finger is either shadow and/or blood stain. Also, the 'pattern of cloth' you mention is, again in my opinion, just artifact and noise resulting from degradation of a multiple-copied, umpteen-zoomed, many-'enhanced' digital image. In short the image we are using is too shite to discern any valuable, trustworthy and accurate information.

It does look more of a thumb, there's a definite space between finger and ' thumb' here, in my opinion.
What is clearer, and I did try and show it in my photographs that I put up, but everyone chose to ignore, the pattern of the cloth behind the hand. There is a distinct woven pattern in the background , and it shows up really well here.
There is no material hanging down from the table in MJK1.

[Debra A]

duplicate

[Debra A]

Thanks. I already know it isn't fake, Trevor.
MJK3 depicts The pelvic mutilations and left thigh area of Mary Jane Kelly. Her left hand resting on her abdomen with her pinkie finger curled under giving the illusion of a thumb, just as in MJK1. Simple.

[Trevor Marriott]

Well,yes. It is obvious to some of us Miss Marple. But somehow, explaining this against Amanda's adamant assertions the picture is definitely a fake became an act of hostility towards her.
Amanda and the people who are certain this is a thumb believe there is a person bobbed down at the table side of the bed with his/her head covered over and his/her right hand placed into MJK's abdomen from what I can gather.

As you know I have not got involved in this issue of fakery or not because as I said it doesn't detract from what happened in that room. I realize that there is a big argument as to whether the finger shown in MJK 4 is a finger of thumb.

I have been looking carefully at all the photos and the angle of the body etc and come to the final conclusion that the the digit seen nearest to the camera is in fact a little finger of a left hand.

The original crime scene photo MJK is attached below and is a good clear photo which shows the position of the body and clearly shows the position of the left arm and left hand which is consistent with what is shown in MJK 4

I will continue to study the photos but first impressions suggest that MJK 4 is not a fake despite it lack of provenance.

[Debra A]

Left or right hand the 'thumb' would not be in the position that the little finger is
unless her hand was back to front. the little finger has to be closest to the thigh so it must be a finger. Ain't that obvious or am I missing something?

Miss Marple

Well,yes. It is obvious to some of us Miss Marple. But somehow, explaining this against Amanda's adamant assertions the picture is definitely a fake became an act of hostility towards her.
Amanda and the people who are certain this is a thumb believe there is a person bobbed down at the table side of the bed with his/her head covered over and his/her right hand placed into MJK's abdomen from what I can gather.

[miss marple]

Left or right hand the 'thumb' would not be in the position that the little finger is
unless her hand was back to front. the little finger has to be closest to the thigh so it must be a finger. Ain't that obvious or am I missing something?

Miss Marple

[Debra A]

G'day Debra

You've cracked it!

Why thank you kindly GUT. You won't get any Tesco clubcard points from the RC deniers for agreeing with me though.

[GUT]

Thanks Rob old bean!
Wow, how did I miss the obvious? It's not a traingle it's really an inverted 'Gull' and MJK's left hand is really John Netley's, I can clearly see the hairy knuckles ..Now, who was it said that the Royal Conspiracy was a load of crap? They were totally wrong.

G'day Debra

You've cracked it!

[Debra A]

No 'Triangle' on the hand so I think we can put that one to bed.
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Rob

Thanks Rob old bean!
Wow, how did I miss the obvious? It's not a traingle it's really an inverted 'Gull' and MJK's left hand is really John Netley's, I can clearly see the hairy knuckles ..Now, who was it said that the Royal Conspiracy was a load of crap? They were totally wrong.

[GUT]

And just to be clear when DRoy said

You're lucky to get advice from Tom and Rob who are two of the best in Ripperology so I wouldn't take their posts too lightly.

He gets no arguments from this little black duck.

[GUT]

Well Maybe one ...

Probably the most sensible post on the entire thread.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Maybe one person agrees with it anyway

[Tom_Wescott]

Finally, one thing we can all agree on...

Amanda,

I think Tom Wescott's post was dead on. You may want to read it again.

You're lucky to get advice from Tom and Rob who are two of the best in Ripperology so I wouldn't take their posts too lightly.

Cheers
DRoy

Probably the most sensible post on the entire thread.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Amanda Sumner]

[QUOTE=Wickerman;304669]An Autopsy is a Post-mortem, but a Post-mortem is not an Autopsy.

Any examination of a dead body is a post-mortem, but only the official examination authorized by the Coroner, and required to be submitted at an Inquest, is an Autopsy.

Dr bond conducted a post-mortem on the remains of Mary Kelly on Friday 9th Nov. as requested by Anderson in order to give Anderson his opinion on whether the wounds showed evidence of skill - that is all that he was requested to do.

Dr. Phillips conducted the Autopsy, ordered by Macdonald Saturday morning.
You appear to confuse one, with the other.QUOTE]


That is incorrect. An autopsy is an Americanism for postmortem. They are both the same thing.

Wikipedia:

n science:

Post-mortem examination, or autopsy, an examination of a corpse in order to determine cause of death
Post-mortem interval, the time that has elapsed since a person has died
Postmortem studies, a neurobiological research method
Postmortem documentation, a technical analysis of a finished project