A Possible Scenario - Or a Tall Tale!

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Agreed

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"That this just happened to be a horrific deconstruction of a woman sans anything even remotely "JTR" related?"

Well, that's going just a bit too far. Suffice it to say there were a few similarities, but also huge differences, involved.

Cheers.
LC

There are differences and they should not be taken lightly or discarded. My problem is I have yet to hear an explanation for who killed "MJK" that is as reasonable and likely as the killer of Polly Annie and what appears likely Eddowes. Possibly others as well.

[lynn cates]

too far

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"That this just happened to be a horrific deconstruction of a woman sans anything even remotely "JTR" related?"

Well, that's going just a bit too far. Suffice it to say there were a few similarities, but also huge differences, involved.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Errata!

Have we settled on what a Ripper killing looks like?

Good point.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn

So are you suggesting that if the murderer wasn't "JTR" then he wasn't attempting to cover his tracks so to speak? That this just happened to be a horrific deconstruction of a woman sans anything even remotely "JTR" related?

[Errata]

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

But does she look like a "JTR" killing?

Cheers.
LC

Have we settled on what a Ripper killing looks like?

[lynn cates]

looks like?

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

But does she look like a "JTR" killing?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

doubt

If "MJK" was murdered post Maxwell's account then what do we have? "JTR" murdering in the day. Someone known to her murdering her and apparently trying to make it look like "JTR". Something else.. It's hard to buy Barnett or the like planning to commit this. Why not wait till dark? So more likely it happened spur of the moment, then made an effort to cover tracks. If worried about being caught, spending more time with the body is not what you want to do. Especially in the freakin daytime! I find the suggestion of a Barnett like murderer killing her in the day and making it look like a"JTR" murder bordering on ludicrous if not well passed it. So if she was made to look like a "JTR" victim it would be for another reason that I have no idea about. And if this was a "JTR" murder, that occured in the light of day, then some planning may have been involved.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Don't forget about...

The other sighting(s). Maurice Lewis I believe? And later too. Narrows t.o.d. down if you believe it.

[lynn cates]

correct

Hello Richard.

"The obvious solutions are... Mary Kelly was not killed until after Mrs Maxwell's last sighting, or she mistakenly mistook her for young Lizzie Albrook, who lived in the court , and what's more worked in a Dorset street lodging house."

And the first option is likely correct. It is hard to ignore the "MJK" sightings that morning--equally hard to make them into a plot, given that "MJK" is nonchalantly hanging about.

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
The obvious solutions are... Mary Kelly was not killed until after Mrs Maxwell's last sighting, or she mistakenly mistook her for young Lizzie Albrook, who lived in the court , and what's more worked in a Dorset street lodging house.
Maxwell's words '' For seeing her about the lodging house'' would therefore be apt.
The above are more likely. then any scenario's of suspicious going on's..
Regards Richard.

[Barnaby]

Hi RK

if you want to be dead, why wait near to a pub and talk to people ?

Cheers

Happens more often than you think!

Red Knight: Excellent first post. My criticism is that surely Barnett satisfied the authorities with respect to his whereabouts the night before and the morning of the murder. And no one saw Barnett in Miller's Court the morning of the murder. Same reason why I don't consider Barnett a likely Ripper suspect.

[C. F. Leon]

Or he's made a mistake?

I'm as willing to allow for a mistake as the next man. However, I was ticking off points why he SHOULDN'T have made a mistake.

Again, he was LIVING with MJK for 18 months or so. He SHOULD have been reasonably sure of her identity, even if he didn't point out EVERY single detail to a noisy, insensitive reporter or copper. It certainly is POSSIBLE JB could of have made a mistake, but I think it's unlikely, especially with McCarthy and others saying the same thing. Sure, it MAY have been someone else, but then the mysterious imposter would have to had the same hair, color eyes, build, wearing MJK's nightie, etc to confuse EVERYONE (except Maxwell, Morris).

Would you be sure if it was YOUR wife/whatever?

[Bridewell]

A Kindred Spirit

I feel that the most likely event is Mary Kelly was alive at daybreak, and was seen by Maxwell and possibly Maurice Lewis, but unfortunately met her killer [Maxwell's porter] around 830am.

I'm of the same opinion and surprised that it's one so lightly dismissed when the only evidence which flatly contradicts it is Bond's estimate as to the likely time of death. I think it more likely that Bond's conclusion (based on the onset and progression of rigor mortis) is wrong than that two eye witnesses, who both claim to have known MJK and to have seen her after daybreak, are both mistaken.

[Bridewell]

Is there any evidence that Kelly had intercourse with anyone that night?

One thing I never see in these Victorian inquest reports is a discussion of whether or not the victim had any sign of recent sexual activity. Is it that the technology was not there to detect this, or is it the legendary Victorian social discretion at work?

Eddowes inquest "There were no indications of connexion" (Dr Frederick Gordon Brown).

[Bridewell]

Right build, right height, the hair matches, wearing what he knows is MK's clothing, he'd certainly think it was her. As if the body WASN'T MK, then he's either incompetent as a witness, has something to hide, or is in on either or both the murder or her 'disappearance'.

Or he's made a mistake?