Exhumation

[Sam Flynn]

Or a malapropism, perhaps?

Indeed. A mondegreen specifically applies to misheard lyrics; the term "mondegreen" itself comes from the Scottish song, The Bonny Earl o' Moray, in which the refrain "They have slain the Earl o' Moray, and laid him on the green" was often misheard as "They have slain the Earl o' Moray, and Lady Mondegreen".

Two mondegreens of my own childhood were that well-known Beatles song Ollie Beak Is Love, and the "rich miller" who turns up to say "No! We will not let you go!" in Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Trapperologist]

Then allow me to correct myself, including the missed verb (cell phone problem) and say:

For all intents and purposes, Mary Kelly is English, or Welsh.

Is a malapropism a sign of intelligence or lack of it?

[Abby Normal]

Or a malapropism, perhaps?

that's it lol

[MrBarnett]

its an unintentional misnomer (or misphraser?) that nonetheless is not a grammatical error. Purposes can be intensive.
however, the phrase/cliché started out as "for all intents and purposes".

I beleive mixing these two up is referred to a mondegreen? lol

Or a malapropism, perhaps?

[Abby Normal]

Is it a grammatical error?

its an unintentional misnomer (or misphraser?) that nonetheless is not a grammatical error. Purposes can be intensive.
however, the phrase/cliché started out as "for all intents and purposes".

I beleive mixing these two up is referred to a mondegreen? lol

[MrBarnett]

I'd heard of this grammatical error being out in the wild, but this is the first time I've actually seen it. Another one for the collection.

Apologies for adding nothing constructive to the discussion.

Is it a grammatical error?

[PRB]

....so, for all intensive purposes

I'd heard of this grammatical error being out in the wild, but this is the first time I've actually seen it. Another one for the collection.

Apologies for adding nothing constructive to the discussion.

[Trapperologist]

I remember reading a dissertation on here where they said they were able to pinpoint Mary's burial location to within three feet. I can't understand how that would mean rooting through up to 400 corpses. Those investigators hired by Cornwell make it seem like they plowed up the whole cemetery and planted a whole new crop of bodies. I don't doubt that some of the caskets were compromised and remains dropping and shifting onto other remains but nothing more serious than that. Do you think they might be a little reticent after finding out that King Richard III had presumably a common butcher in his lineage?

[clark2710]

The Mad Trapper was exhumed but it didn’t prove anything except that all the main theories of who he was were wrong. Every DNA comparison excluded the donor as a relative. The other science such as tissue and isotope analysis may or may not be of help.

They could just put the raw data on GEDmatch but for some reason they haven’t or haven’t said. That would solve it or narrow it down considerably.

Since the capture of the Golden State Killer, i've become very familiar with familial dna matching over the websites and such. The key there is knowing that the body is her, for instance, lets say she was buried in a paupers grave with 20 other people all mixed in together. The first thing i would think would be to look at the condition of the body or bones. As ripped into as Mary Kelly unfortunately was there would've been some marks on ribs, spine, leg bones, etc right? I mean that would help a little i'd think. I guess what i'm trying to say is i feel badly about all these years no one visits her that's one of her people known to be one of her descendants. She may have a great great many times great grand daughter that's the spitting image of her. Breaks my heart that victims don't get visits or anything. I know how cheesy it sounds but i would think a visit from her people would warm her spirit

[Trapperologist]

You’re right although it’s a fair bet since she and no one else with or without Irish background disputed it. The Swedes disputed the Trapper’s Swedishness. Mary didn’t spend much or any time in Ireland so, for all intensive purposes, she English and her records would be in England, or Wales. We don’t know when or if the Trapper came to the US and exactly when he came to Canada.

In the belief that to get somewhere you have to start somewhere, I’m all for the exhumation of Joseph Fleming to see if he’s really the great grandfather of MJW’s great granddaughter who came up as a cousin match with JF’s fourth cousin on AncestryDNA.

[Michael W Richards]

At least we know she's of Irish descent.

Do we? Is that a given do you think? All we know of is a story given, and nothing in that story about her origins has been substantiated to-date.

[Trapperologist]

All your looking for are Welsh folks named Davies and Irish Kellys!

At least we know she's of Irish descent. Only question would be North or South and where in England or Wales her family immigrated. We all have enough of a sense of the history of the British Isles to make a guess, if you think she fibbed on her origins. I think that's where she re-invented herself along with the name Marie Jeanette. So I would discount that and all the drama like mine explosions and soldiers.

With the Trapper, you have four possible countries of origin, of which he claimed three, and most of us have very little off-hand knowledge of those nationalities, races and their movements. Then he said he was raised in the US and ended up in Canada, and he was a bushman who evaded at least one census taker by running off in the snow. Mary always seemed to have a room available.

[ohrocky]

Correct. Basically, the earth in the cemetery has been disturbed so often in the intervening years that it we just don't know where Kelly's remains really are. Some of us have visited the memorial plaque showing roughly where she was originally buried, but we don't know precisely where she ended up.

You can read the Leicester University team's report here: https://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/ge...ectFeb2017.pdf

I believe Sam that even that memorial plaque was moved sometime in the dim & distant. You are totally right to describe it as a memorial plaque rather than a gravestone as it certainly isn't where he body was laid to rest.

I would certainly recommend a visit to St Patrick's if you can clark; the location of the memorial plaque is around on here somewhere but it isn't too difficult to find. PM me for directions if you need them.

I try to visit on the anniversary of her murder and leave some flowers but I always find myself silently thinking "who were you"? Like the WM himself, we will probably never know.

[Michael W Richards]

If they can't narrow down where she was buried or whose bones are whose, this is a complete non-starter.

Yep. The graveyards within Metropolitan London have layers and layers of deceased, many with poorly marked graves. Particularly the ones that catered to paupers.

[Harry D]

If they can't narrow down where she was buried or whose bones are whose, this is a complete non-starter.