Welsh born Scots Guards

[lynn cates]

odd

Hello Debs. Thanks. Curious. Mine indicated boot maker and living at home.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

explosive topic

Hello Dr. H. Hmm, perhaps we should look for explosions around 1880 there?

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Hello Debs. Thanks. Curious. Mine indicated boot maker and living at home.

Cheers.
LC

There were two born the same year and place, Lynn.
One with a father named James, a cordwainer, one with a father named Richard, a gardener. The Scots Guard's father was named Richard.

Here are the two different men in the 1871 index. By 1881, our man would be listed in London (or abroad) rather than Wales and his place of birth could simply be given as Wales, in that case.

Household DAVIES, Edward 1857 4 M Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire
Household DAVIES, Edward 1857 4 M Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire

Edit: It looks like the Scots Guards were in Dublin 1880 through to July 81 at least.

[lynn cates]

2 for the price of 1

Hello Debs. Thanks.

"There were two born the same year and place, Lynn."

Hmm, double event, eh? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

A few more:


First name(s): John JONES
Calculated year of birth: 1855
Parish of birth: Long Wynlais
Town of birth: Cardiff
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 21 years
Attestation date: 17 July 1876
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 3619
Next of kin-mother Anne, brother William, Caerphilly South Wales

First name(s): Lewis JONES
Calculated year of birth: 1869
Parish of birth: Llandrchymedd
Town of birth: Llandrchymedd
County of birth: Anglesey
Age at attestation: 18 years 8 months
Attestation date: 28 September 1887
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7790
Next of kin-mother "Maria" [original has this name in inverted commas]

Boyle,Roscommon,brother Patrick, ditto.

First name(s): Humphrey MATTHEWS
Calculated year of birth: 1857
Parish of birth: Ystradowen
Town of birth: Cowbridge
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 21 years
Attestation date: 9 September 1878
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 4618

Next of kin-Morgan and Evan,brothers.

First name(s): Griffith OWEN
Calculated year of birth: 1857
Parish of birth: Llanwrist
Town of birth: Conway
County of birth: Denbighshire
Age at attestation: 19 years 3 months
Attestation date: 29 December 1876
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 3839
Next of kin- father ??? Owen

First name(s): Herbert POWELL
Calculated year of birth: 1865
Parish of birth: Bryngwyn
Town of birth: Raglan
County of birth: Monmouthshire
Age at attestation: 18 years 8 months
Attestation date: 12 November 1883
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 5940
Nextof kin-father William Powell, Llanrahangle, Torynrynydd(?), near Chepstow.

I'm interested here why Lewis Jones' mother's name is "Maria," in inverted commas.

[Debra A]

First name(s): Joshua Hughes POWELL
Calculated year of birth: 1863
Parish of birth: Troryrawr
Town of birth: Cardegan
County of birth: Cardiganshire
Age at attestation: 21 years 8 months
Attestation date: 17 March 1884
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 6190
next of kin-father David Powell, Cardigan

First name(s): David ROSSER
Calculated year of birth: 1860
Parish of birth: Swansea
Town of birth: Swansea
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 18 years 7 months
Attestation date: 19 June 1878
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 4546
Next of kin-father, David Rosser

First name(s): Michael SHEERAN
Calculated year of birth: 1858
Parish of birth: Bangor
Town of birth: Bangor
County of birth: Caernarvonshire
Age at attestation: 19 years 11 months
Attestation date: 2 June 1877
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 4106
Next of kin-wife Clara Sheeran

First name(s): John Henry SIMON
Calculated year of birth: 1864
Parish of birth: Ruthin
Town of birth: Ruthin
County of birth: Denbighshire
Age at attestation: 23 years 4 months
Attestation date: 10 August 1887
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7696
Nextof kin-father John, Ruthin, brother William, London

First name(s): William WARMAN
Calculated year of birth: 1869
Parish of birth: Canton
Town of birth: Cardiff
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 18 years 1 months
Attestation date: 20 July 1887
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7628
Next of kin-mother Sarah Warman, Canton,Cardiff

[Debra A]

last lot

First name(s): Charles WILLIAMS
Calculated year of birth: 1865
Parish of birth: Abergavenny
Town of birth:
County of birth: Monmouthshire
Age at attestation: 35 years 6 months
Attestation date: 21 May 1900
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 3413

First name(s): Samuel WILLIAMS
Calculated year of birth: 1863
Parish of birth: Aberdare
Town of birth: Aberdare
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 24 years 1 months
Attestation date: 20 July 1887
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 7629
Next of kin-8 Humphrey Street,Aberdare

First name(s): Thomas WILLIAMS
Calculated year of birth: 1862
Parish of birth: Swansea
Town of birth: Swansea
County of birth: Glamorganshire
Age at attestation: 22 years 4 months
Attestation date: 13 June 1884
Attestation corps: Scots Guards
Attestation soldier number: 6414
Next of kin-Thomas Williams, uncle,Ravenhill near Swansea Glamorgan
wife,Rachel, 2 Richard Street ? Swansea

[Bridewell]

Daltons

Ha!
Just had a brief glance at Llantarnam and a look at Foundry Row - and found this

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,387094.0.html

The mention of both Kelly and Davies living on the same row (albeit decades later), and the connection to iron working, really ring some bells...

I suggest that this is an area in which we perhaps should be concentrating our efforts!

Hi All,

I'm having a real job finding the same Dalton family in the 1881 census. It looks, at the moment, as though they may have spread out. The only Irish-born James of about the right age to be the soldier's father is serving as an Able Seaman on the "Lisbon" at Liverpool. Nicholas (assuming it is the same one) is an inmate in the Joint Counties Lunatic Asylum in Abergavenny. The younger James is, I think, a Boy 1st Class on HMS Cambridge. I'm still looking for William, Thomas himself & Margaret, who is definitely listed as a daughter of James (Senior) in 1871, but last in the list of children.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

Hi All,

Further to the above, the only Margaret Dalton I can find, of the right age and in Wales, is working as a General Servant at the Boar's Head Hotel in Swansea in 1881. The licensee's wife, Hannah M Downay, is shown as born in Carmarthenshire, but Margaret Dalton as Swansea-born. An error?

Addition: Ancestry doesn't help with any detail, unfortunately, but there was a Margaret Dalton who married, in the 3rd quarter of 1882 - in Limerick.


Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

Even further (!):

Hi All,

I haven't found the Mary Ann Dalton who was 16 in 1871, unless, in 1881, she's lying about her age and is the 18-year-old nursemaid living at 9, John St, Llanelli, Carmarthenshire, employed by an accountant named Henry Pascoe. It seems improbable, but the next family on the census list is called Davies, which I thought worth noting.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

Even further (!):

Hi All,

James Dalton (Senior) is back in Llantarnam in 1891, aged 63 & living with a Hannah Clement (48). His place of birth is Whitchurch, Ireland.

This was promising at first, but I don't think it's Dalton. One down - a shedload to go!

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

2 sheds

Hello Colin. Umm, perhaps that's "two sheds"? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Hi Debs et al,

I don't think it's Dalton. Harries doesn't look promising either as the only sister is a bit old, called Elizabeth & born in Wales also.

I'll try John Henry SIMON now, unless someone else is already tackling that:

Re SIMON: father is John too (!) but there's no Irish connection and no sister close enough in age to be a likely MJK

Will try BEEDLES.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

Re BEEDLES:

There are a couple of possibles in Berriew, presumably the same extended family. There isn't any Irish connection that I can find, although there is a Mary Jane. She's only 14, though, in 1881, so probably too young? She has 4 brothers living at home, and two sisters. Looks as though she got married in 1890 though, so I think she's out.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Debra A]

Hi Debs et al,

I don't think it's Dalton. Harries doesn't look promising either as the only sister is a bit old, called Elizabeth & born in Wales also.

I'll try John Henry SIMON now, unless someone else is already tackling that:

Re SIMON: father is John too (!) but there's no Irish connection and no sister close enough in age to be a likely MJK

Will try BEEDLES.

Regards, Bridewell.

Hi Bridewell.
Thanks for all your hard work with these!
I had the same problems you did with the Daltons when I tried to have a look for them in 1881 after your plea. I have a feeling that since you found James Snr. was still around in 1891, it may be that the details of the family (those still living as a family unit) were mis-transcribed in 1881 (wrong surname) or that the page they appear on was damaged, lost or destroyed. It just seems odd that they all went missing in 81.

I'll help out with a few later today. I'll start with Jones and that list section if you haven't already done any of those?

I'm also interested in any that you look into who are definitely untraceable in any of the records and may have given a false name. Just to see the extent to which this happened with soldiers.