Who left whom?

[Stephen Thomas]

“I shall have to leave him“ is incorrect English.

Au contraire, Maria, it is perfectly correct English. For instance, an English speaker might say 'I shall have to go to the shop to buy toilet paper' if such action is necessary. How's about 'If you shall continue to call my wife a prostitute I shall punch you on the nose'.

I shall take Manhatten (and Statten Island too).

[DVV]

I know next to nothing about Fleming (apart from having read the recent research on his medical records), but I see the Ripper as a sociopath and not a schizophrenic. His MO and the circumstances around the Whitechapel murders speak strongly for this. Thus I don't adhere too much on Kozminski of Fleming (pardonne-moi, David!).

Hello Maria,
I can't see why Fleming wouldn't be a sociopath. We don't know enough but the little we have certainly doesn't speak against the possibility.
I bet it's hot and sunny in Chicago.

[mariab]

I know next to nothing about Fleming (apart from having read the recent research on his medical records), but I see the Ripper as a sociopath and not a schizophrenic. His MO and the circumstances around the Whitechapel murders speak strongly for this. Thus I don't adhere too much on Kozminski of Fleming (pardonne-moi, David!).

Morganstone was another chap (besides Fleming) with whom MJK "took up."

Wow, thanks. This chap had totally escaped my attention. Not susrprisingly, since I have more that I can deal with in my plate right now with the search for Schwartz in a Yiddish alphabet soup and the reading up on the WVC.

I now return you to Rossini. I can Tell you wish to make Overtures towards him. (Heh-heh)

Cute. The only dealings I presently have with the Tell Ouverture is I hope to ice skate to it tomorrow. LOL. Just finished working with the commedia dell'arte farse and about to start working on the sentimental comic operas today. Then there are the Turkish comic operas left, and incidentally these are the 3 Parts that structure Part 1 of my book, where self-reflexion of the comic opera genre will play a great part in the discussion.

"On voit des biches qui remplacent leurs beaux cerfs par des sangliers" (Victor Hugo)

Ouch! Guilty as sin myself on this behaviour. LOL. Hadn't even know Hugo said that.

Because he was not working and they had nothing to live on. She could not work as effectively if Barnett continued living there with her -- not to mention the fights that brought on.

Spot on, Curious. That's how I see the situation too. A little bit like a poor man's Manon Lescaut, David. ;-)

It also appears that it was her room. Remember McCarthy's testimony that he rented the room to her

There have been suspicions expressed that McCarthy might have been involved in some fashion (business?) with MJK and some people find his report of finding her suspicious, as if he had known of her death earlier. There's an extensive article on McCarthy in Ripper Notes issue #20-something, but I haven't read it in a while and don't have it here with me in Chicago.

[DVV]

Hi Greg

Episodes can indeed recur.
During a violent delusional episode say the schizophrenic murders. He somehow recovers (before modern medication) through self-medication or some peculiarity of his brain chemistry. He’s Ok for awhile then depression sets in, then the neurotransmitters again begin firing frenetically and haphazardly..another delusional episode begins……..this could take days or weeks………he begins another prowl to murder for whatever delusional reason, most often to save himself or the world…….I’m not saying this is what happened with our Jack but if schizophrenic, it’s a possibility…
The results are the same as the tension build-up in the psychopath. The murder usually relieves tension for a time. Then the sadistic, sexual, depraved, necrophilic urges begin to build again. The cycle can be days or weeks. Then the psychopath begins trawling for another victim. This describes Ted Bundy’s rhythm’s at least…

Greg

Well and good, but that was not what I was replying to. The idea that Fleming, considered a schizo, cannot be the Ripper because he could just kill during "episodes" that are generally shorter than the Ripper murder's spree is utterly extravagant.

[curious]

Greetings all,

Episodes can indeed recur.

During a violent delusional episode say the schizophrenic murders. He somehow recovers (before modern medication) through self-medication or some peculiarity of his brain chemistry. He’s Ok for awhile then depression sets in, then the neurotransmitters again begin firing frenetically and haphazardly..another delusional episode begins……..this could take days or weeks………he begins another prowl to murder for whatever delusional reason, most often to save himself or the world…….I’m not saying this is what happened with our Jack but if schizophrenic, it’s a possibility…


The results are the same as the tension build-up in the psychopath. The murder usually relieves tension for a time. Then the sadistic, sexual, depraved, necrophilic urges begin to build again. The cycle can be days or weeks. Then the psychopath begins trawling for another victim. This describes Ted Bundy’s rhythm’s at least…



Greg

A friend of mine, with whom I lost touch for many years, told me that before he was diagnosed with schizophrenia he was hearing voices, but everyone around him would deny saying any thing.

He was committed because he became violent. He became violent because no one would admit to the voices, which he said said just silly things, such as "Oh, look he's buying" a certain type of cereal, and there would not be anyone in the grocery store aisle with him.

The voices simply "drove him crazy" as he tried to force someone to tell him the truth and admit to saying something.

[lynn cates]

episodic

Hello Greg. Indeed.

In fact, I believe that the Kosminski supporters think this is precisely what happened.

And in my lad's file it was stated that he was near the end of a very violent episode and should make a goodl recovery as at other times.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Cyclical madness...

Oh, now we have to look for a killer that can only kill during a "severe and long episode" ?
I'm respectfully stunned.

Greetings all,

Episodes can indeed recur.

During a violent delusional episode say the schizophrenic murders. He somehow recovers (before modern medication) through self-medication or some peculiarity of his brain chemistry. He’s Ok for awhile then depression sets in, then the neurotransmitters again begin firing frenetically and haphazardly..another delusional episode begins……..this could take days or weeks………he begins another prowl to murder for whatever delusional reason, most often to save himself or the world…….I’m not saying this is what happened with our Jack but if schizophrenic, it’s a possibility…


The results are the same as the tension build-up in the psychopath. The murder usually relieves tension for a time. Then the sadistic, sexual, depraved, necrophilic urges begin to build again. The cycle can be days or weeks. Then the psychopath begins trawling for another victim. This describes Ted Bundy’s rhythm’s at least…



Greg

[lynn cates]

caught

Hello David. Thanks for the suggestion.

Cannot? Ah, the modal term. Those are best avoided.

What about likely? Well "serial" requires 3. Many are caught before that limit.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

timing

Hello Velma. Difficult to say. "The Mercury" was published only once a week.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

???

The violent episodes do not last long. They are over rather quickly. And often they involve NO killing.

Cheers.
LC

Does it mean a lunatic cannot be a serial killer ?

[DVV]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't serial killers who kill family/friends, usually START with them, not conclude?
LC

Lynn, have a look at Ed Kemper, necro-sadist and necrophile.

[curious]

Hello Velma. The date was November 17, 1888. Of course, it was SUPPOSED to be from inquest.

It would be interesting if it really were what MJK had confided in Julia.

Cheers.
LC

So, long after the inquest and public knowledge of the two Joes.

It occurred to me that the article might have been before and therefore effectively determining which Joe by that.

Guess not.

[lynn cates]

episode

Hello David. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't serial killers who kill family/friends, usually START with them, not conclude?

The violent episodes do not last long. They are over rather quickly. And often they involve NO killing.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

inquest

Hello Velma. The date was November 17, 1888. Of course, it was SUPPOSED to be from inquest.

It would be interesting if it really were what MJK had confided in Julia.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hello David. Well, can you explain the whys, the mechanisms, etc? And why kill the others?

What a question. He killed them because he was a serial killer. Now he has not given interviews like Dahmer or Kemper, so I don't know much more.

Is he suffering from schizophrenia? Most schizophrenics are non-violent. But Fleming seemed to suffer from paranoid delusions and MIGHT have been violent.

True. Venturney's statement and the Stone records tell us he could be violent.

But a severe episode seems not to last more than a few weeks. The killings lasted longer than that.

Oh, now we have to look for a killer that can only kill during a "severe and long episode" ?
I'm respectfully stunned.