'V' shape cut on MJK's face - WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

I actually said "Scissor-like symbol" in posting No. 8 on this thread.. but as you wish to cast aspertions.. fine but pointless.

You make your own decision on what it is and tell me how the blazes those marks next to (or between forefinger and) the thumb are "defensive" cuts?..because just for you, and because it takes less time than for you to take a trip to Specsavers.. here's a blow up of the hand, from the enhanced photo provided by Steve. "Scissor-like" "drawn matchstick people-like"..call it what you will. They are deliberately put there. Unless of course Mary Jane Kelly knew how to self abuse with a very small, sharp blade whilst in the throws of defending off a maniac.

Oh.. maybe SHE drew them BEFORE her attack.. eh? Yeah right.

The photo is, and in my honest opinion, always has been, a fake. This is just one of the many examples of the silly, childish games played on Ripperologists.

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

You're delusional, Phil. If I say I don't see it, I don't see it. I'm not 'cajoling' you.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil. I don't see a pair of scissors on her hand, sorry.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hello Tom,

Nice try, but like I said, you couldnt wind up a clockwork toy. Better luck next time old bean :-)

best wishes

Phil

[Archaic]

"One Arm Was Nearly Severed From The Trunk"- Daily News

Archaic points out the wounds on Mary's left arm. I think these closeups bring into sharp focus something I have always thought, that these are NOT defensive wounds as some have suggested, i.e. cuts made during the attack as she tried to shield herself. There is just too much flesh missing, clearly wounds inflicted after death and one of the many things the Ripper decided to do to the body for whatever twisted reasons had meaning to him.

Hello Kensei. That's a good point. I agree with you, and I just went looking for the newspaper report which mentioned that one of Mary's arms was nearly detached.

Here it is, The Daily News, 10 November 1888: "...while, in addition, one arm was almost severed from the trunk..."

I think Steve's enlargement of MJK-1 is an important contribution to our understanding of the depravities inflicted upon Mary Kelly.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil. I don't see a pair of scissors on her hand, sorry.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Sister Hyde]

Hi Phil. It may not be a question of carving, but slicing. What we're looking at might be defensive wounds.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

yeah that's what i meant by "a little blade drifting in the fire of the action", It's nice to get my crime-related vocabulary in english improved

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

That "drawing" that resembles a pair of scissors.... defensive wounds? Surely not. I know you do like to jest and cajole sir, but please...

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil. It may not be a question of carving, but slicing. What we're looking at might be defensive wounds.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Sister Hyde]

Perhaps JTR was a tattooist?...hahaha!

I don't think so, but if our man was a sailor you never know but a razor blade makes very distinct cuts, very thin, and never rounded, a razor blade is too stiff to carve details proper. If this has really been made separately and that it's not just a little blade-drifting made in the fire of the action (which the killer would not even have noticed), then it was made with the thin tip of a blade, or a medical blade.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Sister, Tom,

I have a recent photo on my computer somewhere of the MJK3 original, direct from TNA (The National Archives), as I have with most of the photos... from just before Xmas. Later this evening I will try and fish it out. Am a little busy atm, my apologies.

I would still like to know how a 6" knife can carve such minute details. A knife that big cannot possibly carve such small intracasies. Perhaps JTR was a tattooist?...hahaha! It looks for the world to me as if it is written on that hand...as a deliberate attempt to mislead (yet again, with MJK3)

best wishes

Phil

[Sister Hyde]

seriously, a large knife could not carve such small details (scissors)... it would take a razor blade or suchlike. Ask any tattoo artist.

I confirm.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Steve, good work. I believe what you identify as a 'v' in MJK1 is really a tuft of her hair. With Eddowes, you've missed 3 V's. As for the alleged 'faked' photo, could it not be a reverse of the negative making her left hand appear to be her right? Phil's blow up is interesting, and I see where he could get the Freemason insignia from it, but I don't believe it's a V cut at all, but a regular cut with a line of blood running down that gives the appearance of a V cut. However, look BEHIND the big cut on the hand and there's a smaller cut that actually looks like a V

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Sister Hyde]

Hello Sister,

Although this has been talked about a thousand times, I, and others, are of the opinion that this photograph is a fake. It is on some other thread somewhere.. many discussions. I have little time atm to search, but will do so later if that is ok?

best wishes

Phil

sure, I've probably seen the thread but I've read so many posts in so many threads I wouldn't know which one, yes I remember this theory being brought up, some people even think that the last victim was not even Mary Jane, but I'm sure there would be a way to clear this up at the archives maybe, and if this is not the real picture of the crime scene, there must probably be a real one somewhere.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Sister,

Although this has been talked about a thousand times, I, and others, are of the opinion that this photograph is a fake. It is on some other thread somewhere.. many discussions. I have little time atm to search, but will do so later if that is ok?

best wishes

Phil

PS I would like to know how someone who cuts and rips bodies with such malice can take the time to carve such intricate little symbols with a 6" knife? Perhaps it was Sickert after all... he's the artist...lol.. seriously, a large knife could not carve such small details (scissors)... it would take a razor blade or suchlike. Ask any tattoo artist.

[Sister Hyde]

I have previously given the opinion that the hand we see is NOT MKJ's at all, as it is. imho, a right hand (as has been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere).

who's hand could it be then?? (and i'm not being sarcastic), it wouls be very weird for the police to take a crime scene picture with someone having his hand on the corpse.