Mary Kelly - Dismembered Leg?

[DVV]

Hi Spyglass,

I confess I don't try to understand...
He's wrong, that's all.
Medic or not.
There are plenty examples as such...
Trevor Marriott, recently... A "former British murder squad detective"...whose theory is outlandish in the extreme, imo (although I respect his work and personality).

Amitiés,
David

[spyglass]

Hi DVV!
Thats what I was saying, but couldnt understand how he came to that conclusion, and would pathology in the 1880's be able to tell the difference between an axe or knife being used in this case.

[DVV]

Hi Spyglass,

I was replying to your question in fact...
If I remember well (old memories...), Warren looked at Mary's right leg, skinned to the bone as we know, and decided that an axe had been necessary...
Hence my Sunday lunch...

Amitiés,
David

[spyglass]

DVV !
Sorry..what are you saying ?

My point was I, by looking at the photo ,would'nt be able to tell the difference between a knife cut or an axe cut.
Im looking at it now and still cant see any splintering as has been suggested, but Mr Warren could.

[DVV]

Victoria Home.
The lodging house in Commercial Street that could accomodate about 500 men...
Including Hutch, Fleming and Daniel Barnett.

Amitiés,
David

[Hamrammr]

Cheers David,

VH?

[DVV]

Hi Spyglass,

Mary's right leg.
Sigh...
My plan is to have a leg of lamb next Sunday.
Should I go to the iremonger's on Saturday ?

Amitiés,
David

[spyglass]

And how accurate were postmortems in the 1880's as compared to today,after all we are talking about over 120 years ago.

However, not being a medical man myself, Im not sure how or why Nick Warren came to his conclusion concerning the axe theory by looking at the MJK photograph. Although I understand he is a medical person.

[DVV]

Hi Dean,

click on user cp, then edit signature...

And, oh, not to be off-thread : no axe...and a Ripper from the VH...

Amitiés,
David

[Hamrammr]

Hi Spyglass,

none of the medics (Phillips, Bond, and a few more) thought a hatchet - let alone an axe - had been used.

Enough for me !

Thanks God, Killeen did not attend the post mortem.
He would have suggested the sword of the Prophet.

Amitiés,
David

David, I think you and Hunter both have valid points re: the favouring of suspects. I think once we 'choose' any suspect we begin to narrow our field of vision and allow ourselves to focus on some facts and gloss over/disregard others. Sticking to facts and evidence (what little there is in some cases) has to be the only way to approach the whole. . . mess. It does seem to me also that there was something 'personal' about the last murder, but this doesn't necessarily mean it was Barnett, Hutchinson, or even a neighbour.

I also have to concede that it would be out of character for the killer to bring an axe to Millers Court, not forgetting how difficult it would be to conceal it along with the knife as well. I suppose it comes down to the reliability of forensic pathology at the time. Would the doctors really have known if an axe had been used from examining the mess that had been left of Kelly. I think, ultimately, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, just. And although it's exciting to think a new weapon may have been involved, but not particularly credible.

I'm learning all the time. Aren't these message boards invaluable?

P.S. Could someone tell me how to automatically add a signature to each post? I'm getting jealous.

D

[DVV]

Hi Spyglass,

none of the medics (Phillips, Bond, and a few more) thought a hatchet - let alone an axe - had been used.

Enough for me !

Thanks God, Killeen did not attend the post mortem.
He would have suggested the sword of the Prophet.

Amitiés,
David

[spyglass]

HI ALL !

Has the use of an axe/ hatchet theory been completely ruled out now then ?

[DVV]

Hi Jukka,

Broken leg and dismembered English...sont les mamelles du destin.

Amitiés,
David

[j.r-ahde]

Hello David!

Yes, but I thought, that you meant abduction in general!

Never mind, us with broken English make things like these. And sometimes the naturally-born English speakers too!

Parhain terveisin (=Best regards in Finnish)
Jukka

[DVV]

Hi Jukka,

yes, I know this... but it has a different meaning altogether, hasn't it ?
It's a comparison to the left arm, said to be "close to the body".
At least, that's my poor lonesome provençal understanding...
I don't think it means an attempt to remove it.

Amitiés,
David