The thread-queen of the victims!

[Robert]

Hi Graham

I can't put my finger on it at present, but it was something she said to one of her friends, when she was feeling very poorly after she got into a fight.

She was, of course, more or less terminally ill.

Robert

[sdreid]

I like Eddowes best as well. Chapman is sort of the anchor murder so I think it's the most important killing. The first and last murders would also be very important but we can't seem to agree on which was first and which was last.

[Graham]

Robert,

Okay, no problem. But you'll understand from my post that I am not by any means a MJK romanticist....

Where did you come by Chapman's "I mustn't give way" remark? New to me, that. Unless my A-Z needs updating - which it probably does, as I believe that there's been a new edition since I bought mine in 1997.

I agree with you that Eddowes was certainly a character - no Cockney she, but a hard West Midlands piece. And probably not even on the game, even, but just a poor soul trying to make a half-way honest living....wow, I'm beginning to romaticise her!

Cheers,

Graham

[Robert]

Hi Graham

No, I wasn't romanticising her. What I should have said was, she came closest to resembling the film idea of a JTR victim. She probably didn't wear low-cut dresses, or speak with a Cockney accent, etc. But she was young and seems to have had two or three men seriously interested in her.

That was to answer Jukka's question re the general interest in Kelly. For myself, I'm interested in all the victims, though there are certain things about the Kelly murder - to do with the locked door and the fire rather than Kelly herself - which also pose interesting questions.

I liked Chapman's remark, "I mustn't give way" and Eddowes seems to have been a bit of a character.

Robert

[Graham]

Hi Jukka

There's probably some added interest because she was so young - and the only victim to resemble the normal JTR movie idea of what Jack's victims were like. Also, we know virtually nothing of her background, so there's a mystery within a mystery.

Obviously, Barnettists will focus on MJK. Jewish suspect fans tend to go for the Double Event.

Robert

Robert,

Do what? Are you seriously suggesting that MJK resembled some Hammer Horror bit-part actress with heaving bosoms hardly concealed by her tightly-laced bodice, and with a head of flaming red hair, etc., etc?

For a long time I and others tried to talk sense into those who, for whatever reason, chose to romanticise MJK, but it seems our efforts were in vain in some cases. Mariag has got it right - MJK might have been a few years younger than the other JtR victims, but until someone produces an actual photo of her we'll never know what she looked like. And to be honest, although others may disagree, the crime-scene photos always suggested to me a rather stout, even large, person. Walter Dew said she was 'good looking', and apparently well-dressed, but I do tend to take with a large pinch of saly anything that Dew said about the Ripper Case.

Come down from Cloud Cuckoo Land, Robert - MJK was a common prostitute, no more, no less. Joe Barnett may well have repeated what she told him about her background, but his testimony is virtually the sum-total of what we know about her. And for all we know, Joe may have been Mr Gullible 1888, perfectly ready and willing to believe anything he was told by the woman he fancied. Also, always bear in mind that for all his apparent working-class respectability, Joe spent a whole lot of his time with a prostitute.

Good on you, Mariag - best MJK post since the Great Website Crash!

Right, that's it - off my soap-box now!

Cheers,

Graham

[mariag]

I can see the infatuation with Kelly- she was he ultimate victim, both in time and in level of mutilation. Her murder is different from the others in many ways and we know virtually nothing about her past.

The problem with Kelly for me, the thing that makes me groan when I see new threads about her, is the blatant romanticizing that goes on by some people. I gnash my teeth when I hear about how young and beautiful she was, how she had fallen from some high class position, how she was a veritable paragon among hookers.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Maria!

That's the interesting thing on these boards, that everyone has one's own main interests!

I have gradually become interested about the case as a whole.

In general, every victim has something interesting, like Liz Stride being originally a farm-girl from Sweden...

All the best
Jukka

[mariag]

Frankly, I'm much more interested in Eddowes than anyone else.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Robert!

Probably that's the case.

With me the whole aim was just to write a short-story about a MJK's "could-have-been" backround and nothing more. So, my main interest was definitely her not so well known backround.

But her I am still, posting on the threads!

All the best
Jukka

[Robert]

Hi Jukka

There's probably some added interest because she was so young - and the only victim to resemble the normal JTR movie idea of what Jack's victims were like. Also, we know virtually nothing of her background, so there's a mystery within a mystery.

Obviously, Barnettists will focus on MJK. Jewish suspect fans tend to go for the Double Event.

Robert

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

I couldn't help noticing again, that Marie Jeanette gets on these restored boards - again - more threads than the other victims.

Just; how is that? That she was so young? That she was extremely brutally murdered, even with JtR standards?

All the best
Jukka