Kelly, mortuary sketches

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

You either arent listening...or you believe what you believe anyway Dave. Whether anyone recognized fingerprints were unique thousands of year before these cases or not, who cares, although Im sure you do at this point...but they were NOT, to a certainty of 100%, usable in English court until the early 1900's.

Therefore, they had NO VALUE in a criminal investigation in England in 1888. Thats a clear as I can make it.

Sorry for the tone, but Im sure if you had to tell someone the same thing 4 or 5 times too, in order for them to have information that it appears they do not have...youd get riled a bit too.

Cheers.

Know exactly how you feel!Do you ever read and digest the post,or just react.An Expert,an Eminence.You seem the right side of borderline.Hope most of us are.
All the Best Mate!

[Mr.Hyde]

Way past my bedtime.No excuse but.
"Seeming" illiterate.
I always post short replies or full quotes.
I do not edit for my own ignorance or ends.No offence meant-really.
Good penmanship-maybe for the times.He is a southpaw!

Do you really think the Poms were the first people in history to recognise that fingerprints varied greatly?
They were not.
Recognised SEVERAL(sorry, I needed to do that)thousand years before.
Gonna sound like Sam before this is out.I'll quit before that,I assure you.
5,4,3,2,1........

You either arent listening...or you believe what you believe anyway Dave. Whether anyone recognized fingerprints were unique thousands of year before these cases or not, who cares, although Im sure you do at this point...but they were NOT, to a certainty of 100%, usable in English court until the early 1900's.

Therefore, they had NO VALUE in a criminal investigation in England in 1888. Thats a clear as I can make it.

Sorry for the tone, but Im sure if you had to tell someone the same thing 4 or 5 times too, in order for them to have information that it appears they do not have...youd get riled a bit too.

Cheers.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

Ya lost me. Dear Boss is anything but illiterate...its semi-literate at worst, very good penmenship, and widely thought to be a fake created by a journalist.

But what has that to do with the advent and application of Crime Scene Forensics?

I know you like obscure references and short accusatory sound bites...but I dont get this one.

Best regards Mr H.

Good morning Mate,
What do you specifically want to know?
Happy to be of assistance you after some sleep.Possibly earlier.11.30 am here.
Using Dave is confusing,popular-not common name.Several of us here.MH is fine.

[Mr.Hyde]

Do you really think the Poms were the first people in history to recognise that fingerprints varied greatly?
They were not.
Recognised SEVERAL(sorry, I needed to do that)thousand years before.
Gonna sound like Sam before this is out.I'll quit before that,I assure you.
5,4,3,2,1........

Yet a seeming illiterate could write a letter-Dear Boss-describing how things were going.

Ya lost me. Dear Boss is anything but illiterate...its semi-literate at worst, very good penmenship, and widely thought to be a fake created by a journalist.

But what has that to do with the advent and application of Crime Scene Forensics?

I know you like obscure references and short accusatory sound bites...but I dont get this one.

Best regards Mr H.

[Mr.Hyde]

Yet a seeming illiterate could write a letter-Dear Boss-describing how things were going.

I THINK the first time fingerprints were used in a criminal case in the UK was that of the Stratton brothers who killed a Deptford shopkeeper in 1905 (but that's just from memory).

PHILIP

Thanks for posting that Philip, and nice to see you by the way. I felt 1903 was right but 1905 is just fine... Did I guess right about the Crime Lab dates for Scotland Yard do you know? I hate having to look up stuff again when its not thread relevant...

Dave, in terms of forensics and criminal investigations in England, this was the dark ages despite your suggestion it shouldnt have been. Hell...they had only just begun to recognize germs and bacteria as a source for infection....which was still not widely accepted based on the filthy blood soaked smocks many surgeons still wore without washing. No fiber, hair or blood analysis aside from Microscopic study, and no fingerprints being used as evidence for more than a decade.

Now you know why fingerprints were not taken at all from anyone during these cases....they had no trial value yet.

Best regards chaps.

[Mr.Hyde]

Mr.Hyde

For what it's worth, the acknowledged expert in Ripper victim photographs, Robert J. McLaughlin, believes that more photos were taken at Millers Court than have been discovered, and that additional photographs were taken at the mortuary. In addition, he states that the two photos of Kelly in situ were taken with different cameras and possibly by different photographers.

If they are still in the public domain-one place to find them.
Refer previous post.

[Mr.Hyde]

Not into starting posts.Especially being a newbie.
One on age would be interesting.Might be there anyway-this site is amazing!
Way off post.................

[Dr. John Watson]

For what it's worth, the acknowledged expert in Ripper victim photographs, Robert J. McLaughlin, believes that more photos were taken at Millers Court than have been discovered, and that additional photographs were taken at the mortuary. In addition, he states that the two photos of Kelly in situ were taken with different cameras and possibly by different photographers.

[Mr.Hyde]

GRRRR!Only kidding.Check your history.
Might have been the first time you Poms.......................

[George Hutchinson]

I THINK the first time fingerprints were used in a criminal case in the UK was that of the Stratton brothers who killed a Deptford shopkeeper in 1905 (but that's just from memory).

PHILIP

[Mr.Hyde]

Honestly,fingerprinting goes back several thousand years.

[Mr.Hyde]

Some of the researchers on this site may have formed the opinion that this was the era that Britain was dragging itself out of the mire of the Dark Ages.
Amazing era.Nightingale,Farraday,et al.Possibly JTR?