Definitely canonical

[DVV]

....and true, things weren't right in 1250. But, thanks God, in 1270 Yekunno Amlak killed the last Zagwe and Salomon's descendants came back to power.
Ouf!

[Malcolm X]

i apologise for going off thread here.............sorry
Robert the Bruce had his heart removed !
Knights Templar, Mary Magdalene, Mary Matfelon .

[DVV]

Quel Béotien je fais! Où avais-je la tête?!

[Malcolm X]

Hi again Malcolm,
Just to remind you that MK was killed in Spitalfields.

Amitiés,
David

but not back in the year 1250 !.... these murders might refer back to the years 1250 to 1286, not sure yet

[Malcolm X]

Hi Malcom,

I think it is simply because he had more time. As for Eddowes, her face was not just nicked. The doctor who performed the autopsy said "the face was very much mutilated." Looking at her photos on Casebook will confirm this. I have no doubt that the Ripper would have killed Kate in the same manner as he did Mary if he had had more time.

c.d.

there are also tiny nicks there too...look closely and look at the shape of them

[DVV]

Whitechapel = the church of Mary Matfelon ( maternity) the last victim was called MARY, who was a young fertile woman and a very strong symbol of maternity....

Hi again Malcolm,
Just to remind you that MK was killed in Spitalfields.

Amitiés,
David

[Malcolm X]

Whitechapel = the church of Mary Matfelon ( maternity) the last victim was called MARY, who was a young fertile woman and a very strong symbol of maternity.... her heart was ripped out.... now look at her pose on the bed, where have i and you seen this before..... i'll give you a clue, think of Egypt

``the jewes are the men who will be blamed for everything``... yes exactly!

i will tell you no more yet... i have to keep this a secret, because this could be pure coincidence only... but look at those two triangles

and this is also as you've said... not the right thread

[DVV]

I think it is simply because he had more time. As for Eddowes, her face was not just nicked. The doctor who performed the autopsy said "the face was very much mutilated." Looking at her photos on Casebook will confirm this. I have no doubt that the Ripper would have killed Kate in the same manner as he did Mary if he had had more time.

c.d.

Hi cd,
Almost agreed, except that he took Kate's womb with him, while he stole Mary's heart.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

3 .MAYBE HE KNEW HER

IS THIS THE OCCULT are these ritualistic murders?

Hi Malcolm,
my take is that he knew her, yes.

Ritualistic murders?
Certainly not.
And this speculation is a bit off-thread, isn't it?

Amitiés,
David

[c.d.]

Hi Malcom,

I think it is simply because he had more time. As for Eddowes, her face was not just nicked. The doctor who performed the autopsy said "the face was very much mutilated." Looking at her photos on Casebook will confirm this. I have no doubt that the Ripper would have killed Kate in the same manner as he did Mary if he had had more time.

c.d.

[Malcolm X]

hi guys

this is so similar to the Eddowes murder, it's just far more repulsive because he's indoors; plus has much more time, the cuts to her face reflect far more anger, he's trying to wipe out her identity plus also her Womanhood.... he's reduced her to a carcass.......... NOW WHY?

1 maybe because she was young and attractive and this he hated

2 maybe because she flaunted her sexuality/ flirted with him too much earlier on

3 .MAYBE HE KNEW HER

the toying with his knife, which was once on Eddowe's face, slight nicks here and there.... isn't present anymore, the Ripper was in a different mood, more aggressive, but also; far more imbecilic and crazed too.....but was he?

or is Mary Kelly, simply an indoor version of an Eddowes..i.e there is no way due to time limitation, that he can do that hideous butchery out on the street.... my guess is it's this.

thus we see a variation in his methods, that we normally associate as Ripper traits........ is this a Copycat murder? no, he went in search of a ``heart`` from a younger victim.

this completes his list of victims.... no more RIPPER style murders after this, he either quit or downgraded or switched his M.O.

why kill only 5, why not 6..... why not 2 triangles of 3 victims each, or do the two triangles join at a point, he spilled the blood of each victim, plus also removed organs, he could've collected the blood from ALL VICTIMS... and to finish off his series, he removed and took away her heart.

IS THIS THE OCCULT are these ritualistic murders?

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

A careful reading of the medical and police testimony reveals...those of Chapman and Kelly were accessed by means of 3 detached flaps of flesh.
Kelly: 'The flesh of the abdomen was removed in 3 large flaps'
Chapman: 'A flap of flesh from the abdomen was found over the right shoulder...Two other flaps were placed above the left shoulder in a large pool of blood'"

In actual fact Chapman's abdomen was accessed by removing four flaps of the belly wall, not three. Three are mentioned in situ, the fourth, with the navel, was taken away by the killer. This may or may not indicate some interest to the killer, especially when one considers that the navel was left on a flap of skin when the long cut to Eddowes abdomen was made.

Wolf.

[Jon Guy]

Hello Michael

As noted by David, the Ripper didn`t follow this method when he cut Eddowes open. As observed by Sam, the possible reason panels were cut out of Chapman and Kelly was due to the fact that the killer had visibility and could see what he was doing. The skip in this methodology weighs heavily against a copycat killer.

[DVV]

In fact it could have been done by someone who knew it had been done before.

Hi Mike,
not very likely - to say the least...
Someone reading the papers would think that these flaps of flesh are just part of the butchery. Phillips never said it was the way Chapman's murderer gained access to the organs.
And MK's murder occured 2 months after Chapman's.

Amitiés mon cher,
David

I believe one of the foundations for questioning Marys inclusion is a possibility that her killer attempted to replicate a scene he had heard or read about, trying to present the murder as one that Jack the Ripper committed.

In that context, the fact that knowledge of Annies skin flaps was in the public domain long before Marys murder might just assist that argument. That the skin flaps were there at all might mean the inverse to your conclusion....that they were present suggests the killer did that because he knew that had been done previously in a Ripper attributed murder.

Cheers David