Kelly seen alive AFTER murder during lord mayors show?

Hmm...How do you know that her stomach was completely emptied of its contents?

Wolf.

Hi Wolf,

I dont know....fair point. In fact I was thinking someone would suggest she ate after throwing up and before she is killed...but that isnt in sync with the medical determination on how long the meal was inside her and in her digestive tract.

Having some experiences as a young man that caused me to be in similar straits to the woman Carrie Maxwell speaks with.....I can say that not only does violent vomiting clear the stomach's food contents in my experience, it also seriously dehydrates.

What wouldnt change regardless is when the meal was approximately taken, because it had entered the digestive process. And more importantly, we know by the medical estimates roughly when that process ceased. And that was well before 8am by estimates.

I look at Carrie contributions like this Wolf....the body that is found on the bed has some very strong indicators that suggest the victim was murdered in the wee hours of the morning. Including Rigor onset. If she actually did see Mary Jane.....and Mary Jane only having spoken with her twice referred to her as "Carrie/Corrie",.....then it seems the logical answer is that the corpse on the bed is not Mary Jane Kelly.

I believe those are the choices she gives us......either she was wrong or lied for whatever reason, or she was right and the body in room 13 wasnt Mary. Because her version of events is directly refuted by the autopsy.

I hope that explains my thinking there, cheers Wolf.


edited to add........There has been a recent development on another thread that might have some direct impact on this question....its possible by the fact that The Star reported this on November 10th, that Barnett was shown Mary to identify by "peering through the window". If you review the MJK1 photo, it is clear that not only are her eyes not visible, but neither are her eye sockets ...due to what appears are fleshy skin flaps from her forehead covering her eye features. Simon Wood found the article and Sam Flynn suggested the flaps of skin to explain the fact her eyes are not visible at all in that photo.

One of 2 features he ID's Mary by is her eyes. It appears that as she lay in bed at the beginning of the investigation, there were none visible to someone looking in the window.

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

stomachs that have been emptied of contents through the vomitting described dont still have the remnants of fish and potatoes in them at 1:30 that afternoon.

Hmm...How do you know that her stomach was completely emptied of its contents?

Wolf.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

I Am Jack, welcome aboard on my behalf too!

One explanation for mrs. Maxwell seemed to make sense to some extent; Mary had lent her overcoat to one of her friends and thus mrs. Maxwell - not knowing MJK very well - thought herself to have seen MJK after the murder!

However, once again; since MJK was as tall as an average man of the time, her overcoat could have been a bit longer than an average one as well!

All the best
Jukka

[Celesta]

Hello Jack,

Welcome to the site. You're right in your assumption that this has been argued over a lot. Some believe that it was just a case of mistaken identity. Others are not so sure. Mrs. M. was not the only one to report seeing Mary that next morning either. You'll find the discussions scattered about here. Enjoy your searches.

To support Miss Marples suggestion, stomachs that have been emptied of contents through the vomitting described dont still have the remnants of fish and potatoes in them at 1:30 that afternoon.

The truth is that Caroline Maxwell is introduced to the proceedings with an accuracy caveat from the coroner..I dont think youll find anything remotely like that in any of the other proceedings. She was not believed to be correct by them, on what basis do we disagree with them?

Cheers mates.

[miss marple]

Wizard and I am Jack
Why dont you both spend some time reading other posts, including Maxwell's girl on victims, Kelly.The point of this site is to get information and there is plenty of that if you bother to read it. Miss Marple

[BLUE WIZZARD]

I am in agreement with you.

The witness saw Mary that morning, if you add the Mayors show and the fact that she was returning plates to the owner and seeing Mary and talking to Mary explaining the vomit on the street, is a strong reinforcement for memory.

A conspiracy theory in the making as to wither Mary was killed or Mary disappeared needing to get away from her overbearing boyfriend Joe.

I believe that if Mary disappeared then Joe did not commit the crime, but if Mary was murdered then Joe did her in.

BW

It is reported that Joe lived an uneventful life.

[I_AM_JACK]

I know this has probably been talked about a million times but I have searched and am still looking for a proper explanation so forgive me if im going over something your all tired of.
Mary Kelly WAS seen alive after she was supposed to be the fifth victim of the ripper and the obvious explanation for this is that the witness obviously got the days wrong..but the witness said they saw Kelly on the morning of the lord mayors show so is it realistic that the witness would have made a mistake when it was on that day?

Also one more question if thats okay what happened to Joesph Barnett after the Kelly killing?