Maxwell's Gal

[Roy Corduroy]

Thats why I find his ID odd

Hi Michael,

I don't see anything odd about it in the least bit. It's one of the most un-odd things about the Kelly murder, that Joe Barnett ID'ed her. It makes perfect sense. For the most obvious reasons.

How it was said, what words were used, is simply a nicety. Much like the public was spared graphic medical testimony.

Roy

[Sam Flynn]

If his main ID is from seeing her in the bed before she is transported

I'm not sure whether a peep through the window as the Star reported (and only the Star, note) would have been classed as an "official" ID, Mike. One thing's for certain: neither her ears or eyes would have been visible from such a vantage-point, which suggests that a more formal identification happened later.

He slept with her for 18 months, Mike - he'd have been familiar with more of her than the ear and eyes... or the hair, for that matter. Her feet, her hands, the small of her back, her teeth - all escaped the ministrations of the killer's knife. As if that weren't enough, and not to put too fine a point on it, Mary's venereal area had been separated from the body on a single floe of flesh.

Now, whether those were displayed to Barnett during the ID is another matter - they might well have just pulled back the sheet as far as her shoulders to spare him too much agony, although - God knows - that would've been harrowing enough.

I agree with you Sam...in that he would have known many inches of her well, and many werent hacked beyond recognition. Thats why I find his ID odd...as you say, was he only only shown her from the shoulders up? Even the Inquest jurors got to see her "re-engineered" as it were, with only her face exposed, did he get to see the body after they essentially re-built her?

If his main ID is from seeing her in the bed before she is transported, then he has ample opportunity to see uncut portions of her arms, legs, hands, feet, ...so why is his ID only of features above the neck?

Cheers Sam.

[Sam Flynn]

What, like there were prizes the first time round?

Yes. Unfortunately, you failed the Baez Test, Mike

[Sam Flynn]

In his own words only two characteristics of the entirety of Mary Kelly look familiar to him...that alone suggests she was almost completely unrecognizable...to her lover.

He slept with her for 18 months, Mike - he'd have been familiar with more of her than the ear and eyes... or the hair, for that matter. Her feet, her hands, the small of her back, her teeth - all escaped the ministrations of the killer's knife. As if that weren't enough, and not to put too fine a point on it, Mary's venereal area had been separated from the body on a single floe of flesh.

Now, whether those were displayed to Barnett during the ID is another matter - they might well have just pulled back the sheet as far as her shoulders to spare him too much agony, although - God knows - that would've been harrowing enough.

What, like there were prizes the first time round?

Cheers Sam

[Sam Flynn]

Hello Sam!

Sorry, but I just couldn't help presenting the MJK forehead!

Thanks, Jukka, but it's the hairline that's potentially useful - as well as the length, colour etc. Here's a revised quiz:



... no prizes this time

I do think that backs up what I suggested Jukka, that in her demeanor in death she likely bore little resemblance, hair and all, to the woman that Barnett slept beside.

In his own words only two characteristics of the entirety of Mary Kelly look familiar to him...that alone suggests she was almost completely unrecognizable...to her lover.

All the best J

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Sam!

Sorry, but I just couldn't help presenting the MJK forehead!

All the best
Jukka

Ok, I wont...but here is Kerry.....Im still not so sure.

Cheers Gareth

[Sam Flynn]

Thanks, Mike - but let's not get too deep into "MJK Photograph" territory, eh...

The one you missed was Joan Baez, by the way.

Good thing I didnt put my guess it was Senator John Kerry then. ....youre sure its not, right?

I do get your point Sam. Listen...Im agog that he mentions her eyes let alone anything else, I cant for the life of me make out eyes or sockets in any tangible way.

Cheers Sam.

[Sam Flynn]

I see your point, Jack Nicholson, Marilyn, not sure and Adolf.....but again, they are seen as we would recognize them.

Don't forget that Barnett had been sleeping with Kelly for nearly two years, Mike - you'd get to know a person's hairline pretty well under such circumstances. The fact that you get three out of four right, presumably without having slept with any of them, does you credit.

The one you missed was Joan Baez, by the way.

I see your point, Jack Nicholson, Marilyn, not sure and Adolf.....but again, they are seen as we would recognize them. What of Marilyns hairline on her deathbed, or Dolf's on his charred remains? Remember Nick Nolte's mug shot?

I think it would be a different situation Sam.

[Sam Flynn]

Have a go at this "hairline quiz", Mike...



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