Kelly photo 1 enhanced - graphic

[Stephen Thomas]

Simon, mate

The bolster is wayyyyyyy out of shot on MJK1.

The table there looks like something built to hold a plant pot.

MJK2 shows it as a substantial kitchen table with a length to width ratio of about 2:1, a forerunner of those 1960s mass produced, formica topped, slightly splay legged monstrosities that you may remember.

Sam's graphic was fine except that the table was oblong not square.

Now what about that dog sitting underneath it?

[Sam Flynn]

Bore Da, Sam

Noswaith dda, Simon

If you TRULY believe that Senor Crocodile, visible in MJK3 but curiously absent from MJK1, is "out of shot", I suggest that [a] you avail yourself of an eye examination, [b] photogrammetry lessons, and [c] a reality check.

My cheapo diagram suggests otherwise - as does MJK1. The edge of that photograph practically cuts into the right-most edge of the pile of flesh on the table, whereas Senor Crocodile (in MJK3) is some inches further to the right of the right-most edge of the pile of flesh. It couldn't possibly have fitted into the frame of MJK1.

Time to fess up, Sam. What's with all your hallmark denial?

I'm not the one denying that the "crocodile" is out of shot in MJK1.

Why don't you want the JtR mystery to be any more advanced from how it's been for the past 120 years?

Oh, but I do - and I think the field is more advanced, Simon. One of the reasons for that is that we're starting to get out of the habit of inventing mysteries where none exist.

[Simon Wood]

Bore Da, Sam,

If you TRULY believe that Senor Crocodile, visible in MJK3 but curiously absent from MJK1, is "out of shot", I suggest that [a] you avail yourself of an eye examination, [b] photogrammetry lessons, and [c] a reality check.

Time to fess up, Sam. What's with all your hallmark denial? Why don't you want the JtR mystery to be any more advanced from how it's been for the past 120 years?

Regards,

Simon

[Steve F]

I agree

Sam
I agree,I think ''Croc Head'' is out of shot too!
Regards to you
Steve

[Sam Flynn]

Maybe we are forgetting that in 1888 they didn't know as much about crime scenes as we do now and things were moved between shots(?)

Possibly, Steve - although there's no need to suggest that anything was moved between shots in this instance. Certainly not when it comes to "Mr Crocodile" and his perch, which were most assuredly out-of-shot in MJK1.

[Steve F]

Maybe we are forgetting that in 1888 they didn't know as much about crime scenes as we do now and things were moved between shots(?)

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Sam,

Out of shot? Where out of shot?

In MJK3 Senor Crocodile's nose is between the victim's left elbow and the bedside table.

...but MJK3 only shows the hindmost part of the pile of viscera on the table, Simon. Almost the entire pile is visible in MJK1, but that only accommodates the pile of flesh to its rightmost edge. Mr Crocodile is firmly at the rear of the pile of flesh, and located some distance off the right hand side of MJK1.

It's all about the angle of the shots, Simon, and possibly the lens(es) used. Here's a very crude extension of MJK1, based on the (conservative) assumption that the bedside table was rather small, showing the rough angle of the shot in green:



There's easily enough space on the "missing" part of the table on which Mr Crocodile can lurk. The table was quite possibly even longer than that, in which case our reptilian/bolster friend would've had plenty of breathing room.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Sam,

Out of shot? Where out of shot?

In MJK3 Senor Crocodile's nose is between the victim's left elbow and the bedside table.

In MJK1 he and his nose are nowhere to be seen.

That's quite a disappearing trick.

Regards,

Simon

[Sam Flynn]

Where is Mr Crocodile in MJK1, Simon? Out of shot, I'd say.

[Mike Covell]

It's a crocodile's head? I thought it was a horse!

Perhaps Robert D'Onston Stephenson left it there after one of his African jaunts!! He has obviously made it invisible on the other images!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stephen,

Hoe, hoe, hoe!

Regards,

Simon

[Stephen Thomas]

I spy with my little eye a trowel (!) just to the right of the garter.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Posts still appear to be out of order, so in reply to questions asked before my last post here is Senor Crocodile or Mister Bolster in all his glory.

He is a commanding presence in MJK 3, with his snout nuzzling MJK's left elbow.



Now look at MJK1.



Where is he?

Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi all,

The other thing we have to explain is why Senor Crocodile [or Mr. Bolster] is not visible in MJK 1.



Regards,

Simon

[Jane Coram]

Hi Simon,

I have to agree with Sam here. It may well have been retouched in places, or damaged in part, but there is an enormous difference between original photographic image and any painted image, no matter how well it is done. I really think that most of that leg is the real McCoy, stocking or no stocking, pattern or no pattern, what's there is mainly original photograph, although there could have been some retouching of course.

I do agree though that there does seem to be a discrepancy between the position of the legs in the various photos, which seems inexplicable, but I don't want to open that can of worms again!

Bestest

Jane

xxxxx

PS, that looks like a very good copy of MJK3 you have there!