Mary Kelly's Room

[mike74]

People will always believe something is there and others will discount it.
If you want something to stay a mystery or dismiss a theory of course you will say it's not there.
There are believers and disbelievers, thats why this would never be solved in a million years!

[Fisherman]

Because, Mike, Mary Kellys wall was not made of glass. Therefore it DID have horisontal cracks and cavities that followed the underlying material. Two such cracks or cavities made up the two parallel, horizontal bars of that "F", whereas there need not be any vertical cavity behind the third, vertical, bar, since gravity would have taken care of that one.
Itīs all in Sams answer, Mike, once you give it a more thorough read.

The best!
Fisherman

[mike74]

So if it doesnt produce the letter F how do you explain it on the wall?

[Sam Flynn]

Blood does not fall like that and form letters!!

Yes it does, Mike - and I've explained how. Rather, I've explained how a viscous liquid might form various shapes that might suggest letters. Try jetting a stream of washing-up liquid onto a window, and see the "M" and "U" shapes (etc) appear before your eyes. You're unlikely to see any "F"s, because the glass, being smooth, isn't conducive to the liquid "bleeding" into any horizontal cracks.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Mike!

Blood does not fall like that and form letters!!

Like everyone can see, there aren't any letters in the original photo!

Instead there is just a splash of blood there...

And, remember Mike; some people have been thinking, that there is a crucifix there above MJK's body! But like Dan Norder showed on the crashed boards; it's just a technical trick on the copy! Also A.Spallek told on the same thread, that because MJK was a catholic, so there should have been a picture of Christ on the crucifix!

All the best
Jukka

[claire]

I think I must be missing something crucial...what is the argument here? That MJK daubed the walls with the initials of her attacker? That Annie Chapman grabbed a scrap of paper and put the first letter of her attacker's surname on it? Or are we saying that the killer decided to sign their work? None of this, at all, makes any sense whatsoever, for reasons so apparent I can't even be bothered noting them. Particularly since there are no blinkin' letters in the first place.

[mike74]

Blood does not fall like that and form letters!!

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Mike!

I am sorry to say this too, but;

While looking at the original copy on the "Photo Archive" here, there isn't anything special coming up at that section of the photo.

Besides, the quality of the LVP photos wasn't quite on the standards of today.

So, unfortunately I have to say, that the blow-up from the original one is just a splash of blood. From which everyone sees, what one wants to see!

All the best
Jukka

[mike74]

Iam sorry but that is not just blood splatter, you can definately see the M the F is a bit faint but this is an old photo. Also remember that a piece of paper was found at annie chapmans murder with the letter M on it.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Stephen!

My analysis has been;

There isn't any F around and the M is only a splash of blood!

All the best
Jukka

[claire]

Uh, maybe it's the resolution of the pic, but I don't see anything that even resembles letters...however, what I do see is a feline face on the wall directly above the hand, a scary woman face that looks like a photo negative (white outlines, hair) immediately to the right of that, and a sort of Scooby Doo style ghost to the immediate right of that. Just goes to show what the mind can tell us is there!

[Stephen Thomas]

I don't remember this having been mentioned before but it looks like the right side of the supposed 'M' is not a solid line like the rest of it but more like a series of dots that actually extends above the 'M'.

[Soothsayer]

Even if there were an ' FM ' on the wall - which there wasn't - then it could mean anything couldn't it ? Theres no evidence of a connection to Maybrick.

Hi Simon,

I agree, if (as I firmly believe) the FM is on the wall then that in itself is no link to Maybrick - except through the mysterious diary. For me, this is the crux of the issue.

If the diary is a hoax, then the 'FM' must have been spotted by the forger, and they must have inspired the creation of the hoax. The alternative is that the hoaxer either discovered the FM after making reference to them in the hoaxed diary (little short of miraculous), or else the hoaxer made reference to them and we subsequently spotted them (again, little short of miraculous)! The marks which we see as 'FM' are too pronounced to say we are interpreting them. They are either letters, or they are miracles of blood formation.

So - in realistic terms - either our forger was the first ever (unsure where Simon Wood in 1988 appears in the FM story) to spot these letters (and backtracked the whole hoax from them) or else the diary was written by someone who put the letters there in the first place, our erstwhile killer.

I find both versions too bizarre to believe, but I also find the latter less bizarre than the former, and therefore err on the side of authenticity.

The notion that the letters aren't there is actually irrelevant. Whether or not the FM is actually there, people can see something which closely resembles 'FM', and that's amazingly improbable if they aren't there. If they are there, it's hard to explain the fact without erring on the side of the diary's authenticity (as argued above).

Either way, the 'FM' which either is or is not there, is definitely at the crux of the diary's case (in my opinion).

[Soothsayer]

Soothsayer- 'Come on...............' there's nothing on that wall apart from blood and general day to day grime!!!
Suz x

Hi Suz,

I agree (Mrs Soothsayer would be shocked if one of our walls got that dirty).

It is the 'F' and the 'M' drawn (apparently) with blood that intrigues.

But more on that in my subsequent post.

Cheers,

[Mike Covell]

Lewis Carroll did it! He was paying homage to the white rabbit.......Follow Me!

Wonder how many of H Division looked into the rabbit hole?