Was Joe Barnettīs alibi accepted lightly?

[Pierre]

Now my dear boy, thank you for that charming lecture but perhaps you can tell us how facts can be tested with different models, calculations and instruments when there are no facts?

Facts are tested and changed.

And then we get paradigm shifts, scientific revolutions and normal science is changed.

This is going on within the social world, where there are struggles for power.

[David Orsam]

Facts are tested with different models, calculations and instruments.

Now my dear boy, thank you for that charming lecture but perhaps you can tell us how facts can be tested with different models, calculations and instruments when there are no facts?

[Pierre]

The Earth revolves around the Sun. That is a fact.

The Sun revolves around the Earth. That is not a fact but was an incorrect historical assumption.

Pierre is an historian. That may be a fact, but no evidence has been produced in support of any such claim, so it may just be a social construction.

Hi,

You are reducing the concept of the social construction to mean an artefact without support. This reduction is one of the most common mistakes for people who do not understand the concept of the social construction.

Every artefact produced by humans is a social construction. This means that a fact also is a social construction.

Let me give you some examples. A planet is not a social construction. But knowledge about the planet is. Space is not a social construction. But knowledge about space is.

Now, dogs are also social constructions due to dog breeding. And knowledge about those dogs is a social construction.

This forum is also a social construction.

Everything socially constructed by humans is a social construction, since it is created through social interaction and social structures.

Facts are tested with different models, calculations and instruments. The models, calculations and instruments are created by humans and are therefore social constructions.

Best wishes, Pierre

[Bridewell]

Therefore, there is no "fact". Facts are social constructions.

Last post for tonight.

The Earth revolves around the Sun. That is a fact.

The Sun revolves around the Earth. That is not a fact but was an incorrect historical assumption.

Pierre is an historian. That may be a fact, but no evidence has been produced in support of any such claim, so it may just be a social construction.

[David Orsam]

There are no facts.

Now I've heard everything.

Don't forget that while there are no facts, "there are better and worse facts".

And THAT is a fact.

[GUT]

No wonder he decided not to be a pretend scientist anymore and to become a pretend historian instead.

[GUT]

So, as you can see, every conclusion depends on the sources at hand and their interpretation.

Therefore, there is no "fact". Facts are social constructions.

But there are better and worse facts, David.

Last post for tonight.

There are no facts.

Now I've heard everything.

[Bridewell]

According to Christopher J Morley's book, 'Jack the Ripper : A Suspects Guide':

"Barnett was questioned by Inspector Abberline for four hours (my italics) and had his clothing checked for bloodstains. When he was questioned it was reported he was in an agitated state, though the police appeared to be satisfied that he had nothing to do with the murder, and he was released."

I conclude that his alibi was not "accepted lightly".

[Pierre]

Yes my dear boy because the information you posted was that the police "satisfied themselves that his statements were correct and therefore released him."

What I can't tell is how they did it, but the info you posted was that they did it. They satisfied themselves.

So, as you can see, every conclusion depends on the sources at hand and their interpretation.

Therefore, there is no "fact". Facts are social constructions.

But there are better and worse facts, David.

Last post for tonight.

[David Orsam]

And still you suggested that his statements were not accepted lightly?:

Yes my dear boy because the information you posted was that the police "satisfied themselves that his statements were correct and therefore released him."

What I can't tell is how they did it, but the info you posted was that they did it. They satisfied themselves.

[Pierre]

My dear boy, I can't tell you that at all I'm afraid because there is no data available about it.

So that's this thread over really.

And still you suggested that his statements were not accepted lightly?:

So his statements were not accepted lightly?

[David Orsam]

Good. Then you can probably tell the us all the correct details of how they

"satisfied themselves that his statements were correct"

and then you can probably also tell us all the correct observations they had obtained, based on which methods, on which

"they concluded that he had told them the truth"

?

My dear boy, I can't tell you that at all I'm afraid because there is no data available about it.

So that's this thread over really.

[Pierre]

My dear boy, I'm happy to oblige:

"after questioning him"

means after they asked him questions

"satisfied themselves that his statements were correct"

means they concluded that he had told them the truth

"and therefore released him"

means they let him go.

If there are any other simple words or sentences you need explained my dear boy I am at your service.

Good. Then you can probably tell the us all the correct details of how they

"satisfied themselves that his statements were correct"

and then you can probably also tell us all the correct observations they had obtained, based on which methods, on which

"they concluded that he had told them the truth"

?

[David Orsam]

That is the question: How valid are the articles - what do the statements from Central News mean?

My dear boy, I'm happy to oblige:

"after questioning him"

means after they asked him questions

"satisfied themselves that his statements were correct"

means they concluded that he had told them the truth

"and therefore released him"

means they let him go.

If there are any other simple words or sentences you need explained my dear boy I am at your service.

[Pierre]

So his statements were not accepted lightly?

That is the question: How valid are the articles - what do the statements from Central News mean?