Was Joe Barnettīs alibi accepted lightly?

[David Orsam]

Okay my dear boy, so we have learnt that not only can you not provide me with an example of a fact that has been tested and changed but you also don't know the difference between a fact and a theory.

[Pierre]

Oh my dear boy, I asked you to provide me with an example of a fact that has been tested and changed but in geocentricism (which is the only purported fact in your post) you provided me with a theory.

Now do you have an example of a fact which has been tested and changed or don't you?

Donīt be silly.

[David Orsam]

Oh my dear boy, I asked you to provide me with an example of a fact that has been tested and changed but in geocentricism (which is the only purported fact in your post) you provided me with a theory.

Now do you have an example of a fact which has been tested and changed or don't you?

[Pierre]

My dear boy can you give me an example of a fact that has been tested and changed?

You will, for example, find the examples with Copernicus, Newton, Einstein, Lyotard, Foucault and Bourdieu.

Geocentrism was regarded as a fact and Copernicus changed that.

Newton revolutionized old facts and developed them into a new scientific paradigm.

Einstein changed facts in physics with his theory of general relativity.

Lyotard changed historical and social facts with his theory of metanarratives and grand narratives.

Foucault changed the history of enlightenment and madness by analyzing old sources which was understood to describe neutral "facts".

Bourdieu used significance tests and correspondence analysis when he changed the old "facts" about how the social world works, constructing his field theory.

All of these researchers have changed old "facts" and created new ones. They have caused scientific revolutions and even paradigm shifts.

The problem is that it takes time for ordinary people to learn about the results of these revolutions. It is highly undemocratic, but a lot of people still do not know anything about this.

They still think that descriptions of things or abstract objects or other phenomena are "facts" not affected by humans.

That is also an historical problem.

Pierre

[GUT]

Is that a fact?

Is that a fact?

Can't be, as there are no facts.

And that's from the once great scientist, so it must be a fact.

Guess gravity isn't a fact either, or the fact that humans need oxygen, all non facts.

[GUT]

Well, if we breed dogs to act and look like cats, or if we define them as being cats, who knows.

Do remember that people believed in witches in the 17th Century and that people were executed for "being" witches.

Ummm scientists know by genetics. No matter what they may look or act like.

But I guess that's not a fact to a once great scientist like yourself

[David Orsam]

Do remember that people believed in witches in the 17th Century and that people were executed for "being" witches.

Is that a fact?

[David Orsam]

It is because we have no data indicating that Barnett killed the other victims.

Is that a fact?

[Pierre]

Now dogs aren't dogs, maybe they're cats

Well, if we breed dogs to act and look like cats, or if we define them as being cats, who knows.

Do remember that people believed in witches in the 17th Century and that people were executed for "being" witches.

[Pierre]

Is that because his alibi checked out my dear boy?

No, not at all. It is because we have no data indicating that Barnett killed the other victims.

That is why I do not think he was a serial killer.

I may think he may have been the murderer of Kelly. But of course, I am wrong.

[GUT]

Hi,

You are reducing the concept of the social construction to mean an artefact without support. This reduction is one of the most common mistakes for people who do not understand the concept of the social construction.

Every artefact produced by humans is a social construction. This means that a fact also is a social construction.

Let me give you some examples. A planet is not a social construction. But knowledge about the planet is. Space is not a social construction. But knowledge about space is.

Now, dogs are also social constructions due to dog breeding. And knowledge about those dogs is a social construction.

This forum is also a social construction.

Everything socially constructed by humans is a social construction, since it is created through social interaction and social structures.

Facts are tested with different models, calculations and instruments. The models, calculations and instruments are created by humans and are therefore social constructions.

Best wishes, Pierre

Now dogs aren't dogs, maybe they're cats

[David Orsam]

And I do not do that category and I do not believe that Barnett was a serial killer.

Is that because his alibi checked out my dear boy?

[Pierre]

Hi.
I started a thread at least 16 years ago ''Joseph Barnett , number one suspect'' it ran for ages.
Leanne Perry and myself,[ who shared the same suspect] started on a venture to co write a book, but it was difficult because she resided in Australia, and myself the UK.
I was pleased that she completed a book , and had it published, and it has pride and place on my bookshelf.
Years have gone by, and although I have a slight suspicion about Barnett, cannot put him in the frame in 2017.
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,

I see. Well, I can understand why people would think that Barnett did the murders. And I think he may be an interesting "suspect".

And I do not do that category and I do not believe that Barnett was a serial killer.

Regards, Pierre

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
I started a thread at least 16 years ago ''Joseph Barnett , number one suspect'' it ran for ages.
Leanne Perry and myself,[ who shared the same suspect] started on a venture to co write a book, but it was difficult because she resided in Australia, and myself the UK.
I was pleased that she completed a book , and had it published, and it has pride and place on my bookshelf.
Years have gone by, and although I have a slight suspicion about Barnett, cannot put him in the frame in 2017.
Regards Richard.

[David Orsam]

Facts are tested and changed.

And then we get paradigm shifts, scientific revolutions and normal science is changed.

This is going on within the social world, where there are struggles for power.

My dear boy can you give me an example of a fact that has been tested and changed?