where does the victims lie actually??

[WARSPITE]

Hi Andy,
Many thanks for the grave locations. Ive never visited them myself,apart from MKs 20yrs ago. Im very interested in visiting them. Perhaps you can let me know when you next go, love to tag along.
WARSPITE (DRWHITBY@AOL.COM)

[aspallek]

Well I suppose it could be such a mistake, however I think my contact would have mentioned something if she came across a "Frances Cole" who was buried on the same day as the "Frances Coles" I asked her to check on. I suspect perhaps the cemetery records may be incomplete or otherwise somehow flawed.

[Bulldog]

Interestingly, although press reports describe Coles' burial at the East London Cemetery, Sheila could not find record of it under "Coles" or any known aliases.

Hi Andy,

I just came across this thread, hence the delayed reply.

Frances Coles was buried at the East London Cemetery on 25 Februray 1891. There is no doubt about that. It is almost certain that her correct name was used. That name, however, was often carelessly recorded as "Cole", a far more common surname, and the people at the cemetery might have made the same mistake. Some of the examples that I have encountered include:

The entire family in the 1861 census.

The 1881 census record of James, Frances's brother, when he was in the army.

The 1881 census record of Selina, Frances's sister, an inmate of the St. Olave's Union Workhouse.

Even her (Selina's) 1897 death certificate identifies her as Cole.

If the cemetery recorded her as "Cole" and someone made a computer search for the literal "Coles", she probably wouldn't show up in the search results.

Just a thought.

Bulldog

[anna]

Hi Philip.
Thanks for the clarity.I'm not really up on things like Utube I'm afraid,so tend to take things literally!!! I'm very interested in the subject of ghosts.
Thanks anyway for the enjoyable tour around all the sites etc.I loved the mortuary trip.You did very well to hold the camera still while climbing over things.Gave me a chill to see the actual tiles on the wall that would have been there in 1888!!Exciting stuff.
Kind Regards.
Anna.

[Mike Covell]

I am quite a sad person. I subscribed to Philips channel on youtube a long time ago!

[aspallek]

Fooled you as well, then, Billy.

It never ceases to amaze me that people think I actually contribute much! Clacky does more than I do. I'm just more vocal about it.

Thanks, Andy, also. I can't recall where I got the info on the location. I have a feeling you told me the plot number and I asked at the office where it was when I went. It's really only about a dozen steps from where Liz is buried, much like the distance between Polly and Catherine at the CoL.

PHILIP

Philip,

A woman named Sheila at the East London Cemetery was very helpful in confirming the burial of an unidentified female that fits the description of the PST. I believe the plot number is given in a memo that can be found in the Sourcebook. Sheila also gave me info about come common graves were re-used. Nothing was removed, only dirt fill brought in so that new burials took place on top of old ones. The torso is still under there somewhere then, perhaps still preserved in spirits though I quite doubt it.

Interestingly, although press reports describe Coles' burial at the East London Cemetery, Sheila could not find record of it under "Coles" or any known aliases.

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Anna. Just for clarity - there is no Guildford Ghost Club. GG is my ID on YouTube and it's just my own video clips (I can't see a paranormal group with masses of Sigur Rós and Duke Special concert clips...)

PHILIP

[anna]

Hi Philip,
Happened upon this thread last night,and thanks to your links and commentry to accompany them,I had a very enjoyable evening.
Then, I thought,let's see all the ghosty ghouly things that the Guildford ghost club can offer up,and watched music and my favourite of all....Mr Did's confession to the JTR crimes...he was here under our noses all the time!!!!!!
brilliant!..and plenty of ghostly things provided by others,which I loved trawling through.
So, well done that chap!!!! thought Mary's grave looked a bit rough though!
Hey,Andy! how are you,long time since we spoke last.
If you get up a "graveyard crawl", so to speak,count me in!...cool.

[Monty]

..with your women and yer fancy car..

Monty

[Sasha]

Hi Sasha

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What can I say? I am a star.

PHILIP

Yes you are!

Thanks
Sasha

[George Hutchinson]

Hi Sasha



What can I say? I am a star.

PHILIP

[Sasha]

Hi Billy.

No need...

POLLY NICHOLS : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6DWmf7BZs

ANNIE CHAPMAN (anywhere in this area!) : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Px5HoUqMlok

LIS STRIDE : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcy9svnA-w

CATHERINE EDDOWES : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6gCBpa6NGTQ

MARY KELLY : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hyrN3q9WbK8

PINCHIN STREET TORSO : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_wNe2dPsdMg

PHILIP

Thanks Philip.

Couldn't quite make out Mary's headstone (other than her name). What's the inscription?

Thanks
Sasha

[George Hutchinson]

Fooled you as well, then, Billy.

It never ceases to amaze me that people think I actually contribute much! Clacky does more than I do. I'm just more vocal about it.

Thanks, Andy, also. I can't recall where I got the info on the location. I have a feeling you told me the plot number and I asked at the office where it was when I went. It's really only about a dozen steps from where Liz is buried, much like the distance between Polly and Catherine at the CoL.

PHILIP

[BillyE]

You were right, Philip. They were your videos I have saved on my youtube favorites. Truely treasures to Ripperology, as your work tends to be. Thank you.

[aspallek]

Thank, Philip, for those videos. They do convey much more of the surrounding area than do my still photos. Particularly interesting is your piece on the Pinchin Street torso. I knew this was buried in the East London Cemetery but I didn't know where. It is interesting because that is the only Ripper-era victim whose remains were intentionally preserved. They were preserved in spirits and soldered into a tin container as I recall.

While I don't think an organized tour of the grave sites would be in good taste, I might be persuaded to take one or two people if anyone wants to go while I am in London.