Blood - too much or little ?

[Scott Nelson]

What's so funny? You're the one who said that Eddowes was strangled inside the house, then pushed out the window and dragged into the square.

[DJA]

[Scott Nelson]

OK, so Sutton dragged her body out to the corner and went back inside to lock the gate? Then he had to crawl back through the window, go through the house, lock(?) the front door and walk around to the corner of the square again to begin the mutilations? Or did he do the mutilations, then go inside again, lock the gate and go through the window, not spilling blood anywhere?

I'm not saying either scenario couldn't have happened, it just seems more likely that Sutton met Eddowes somewhere en route to Aldgate and they ended up in the corner of the square without first going into the no. 6 house.

[DJA]

But I don't know if the picture was a relatively new one. What about the contemporary drawing of the corner of Mitre Square showing (apparently) the same gate? Did it open or not? How did Sutton lock it, if he had to?

One drawing showed a hole that probably had a bolt and lock on the inside.

Pretty sure the gate opened and closed.

There were spikes atop both the wall and gate at the time.

[Scott Nelson]

Um .... yep!

Reckon that you know that picture is a relatively new one that does not show the gate as it was.

But I don't know if the picture was a relatively new one. What about the contemporary drawing of the corner of Mitre Square showing (apparently) the same gate? Did it open or not? How did Sutton lock it, if he had to?

[Abby Normal]

Not enough blood was at the Nichols scene, Eddowes was the opposite - too much blood.

Thanks Dickere, got them mixed up. As El just said most of the blood was soaked into her clothes and again if she was already dead and or lying on her back when her throat was slit, that could also explain it.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby

There was no blood spray at all,not even on the front of her clothes.
Unlikely that she was killed in the square proper.

"By Mr. Crawford: There was no blood on the front of the clothes. There was not a speck of blood on the front of the jacket."

well if she was already dead by strangulation and lying on her back when her throat was cut, than that could explain the lack of blood spray on the front, but I do see your point.

[Elamarna]

Not enough blood was at the Nichols scene, Eddowes was the opposite - too much blood.

In Bucks Row, most of the blood had soaked into the clothing around the neck and shoulders of Polly.
There were clots between the layers of clothing.
This is fully documented at the inquest by Helson and Helson.

[Dickere]

thanks dja .so there goes not enough blood theory?

Not enough blood was at the Nichols scene, Eddowes was the opposite - too much blood.

[DJA]

Dave,

You've never fully answered how Sutton was supposed to get Eddowes out to the corner of the square from #6? And how did the wooden partition (locked gate?) work? Did he push her out the back window, jump out himself and unlock the gate from inside the courtyard area? If he did that, wouldn't he have to lock the gate again from the inside and climb back through the window?

Um .... yep!

Reckon that you know that picture is a relatively new one that does not show the gate as it was.

[DJA]

thanks dja .so there goes not enough blood theory?

Hi Abby

There was no blood spray at all,not even on the front of her clothes.
Unlikely that she was killed in the square proper.

"By Mr. Crawford: There was no blood on the front of the clothes. There was not a speck of blood on the front of the jacket."

[Abby Normal]

There you go Abby.

thanks dja .so there goes not enough blood theory?

[Scott Nelson]

Dave,

You've never fully answered how Sutton was supposed to get Eddowes out to the corner of the square from #6? And how did the wooden partition (locked gate?) work? Did he push her out the back window, jump out himself and unlock the gate from inside the courtyard area? If he did that, wouldn't he have to lock the gate again from the inside and climb back through the window?

Otherwise how could he leave the square without locking the gate, or was it self-locking when pushed shut?

[DJA]

Didnt one of the drs sketches of Eddowes at the scene show pools of blood and or bodily fluids?

There you go Abby.

[DJA]

Dave,

As you know, I'm interested in the highly detailed work you've done on this.

Can I ask: what really convinces you that Eddowes was moved to 'murder corner' after she was killed?

For the record, I too suspect that she was; but I don't have much more than gut instinct and a scenario that makes sense to me alone...

Thanks,

Mark D.

Mark J D,

The cholesterol removed from her eyes required a small scalpel and light,so she was murdered indoors.

Also Sutton would have gotten the "Nothing" information from her in the ground floor living room.It was a small room.He could hear the beat cops pass the front door,even though he was partially deaf in his left ear.

Thank You,

Dave.