Prostitutes: Money or love first?

[Tom_Wescott]

And the fact that none of the victims were found with any cash on their persons says to me that the Ripper took the time to get what he could after cutting the throat and before beginning the mutilations.

Actually, he took their money before he killed them.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

You mean that when her fellow lodgers see her, she's fresh from the Queen's Head pub, then when Best & Gardner see her she's drinking inside a pub, then when Marshall sees her, she's standing with a man outside the George IV pub? Yes, i'd say it's absurd to think that she had not been drinking, particularly given the fact that she was an alcoholic with a police record.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Adam Went]

Tom:

Taking into account

a.) The medical testimony
b.) The witness testimony
c.) What we know of Stride's actions that night

Would you be willing to suggest that she was, in fact, "drunk off her ass"?

Cheers,
Adam.

[Tom_Wescott]

Stride's stomach was tested for malt liquor...I repeat, malt liquor. She could have been drunk off her ass, just not with malt liquor.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Thanks so much, Adam. I'll look it up.

[Adam Went]

Maria:

If you read through the Stride inquest statements from Dr. Phillips, you'll see that the stomach had been examined for alcohol (or "malt liquor" as it was called) as there was a theory going around that it was possible the killer had drugged his victims in some way before killing them. There was no trace - whatever the case, then, it's evident that either Stride had not been drinking in the few hours prior to her death, or if she had, it was such a miniscule amount as to be undetectable. So, for all intents and purposes, she was sober at the time.

Cheers,
Adam.

[mariab]

Adam,
I'm gonna ask and get informed, but I think that the contents of the stomach were tested for food, not alcohol.

Thank you so much for your well-wishes. I'll post any new results pertaining to Schwartz, but it'll take a few months, as this is a logistically complicated process.

[Adam Went]

Maria:

The contents of Stride's system (stomach) were checked in the post-mortem, and it was said that there was no sign that she had consumed alcohol shortly prior to her death.

Now that's not to say that she had not consumed alcohol at all, but the medical evidence combined with the witness evidence would suggest that she had not been drinking anything alcoholic of note that evening after her visit to the pub with her landlady much earlier on.

Again I can only wish you the best with your research on Schwartz and would be very interested to hear news of any discoveries, especially since the beliefs in regards to Pipeman's candidacy as JTR, and the fact that even his presence in the area largely hinges on what Schwartz claimed he saw.

Cheers,
Adam.

[FrancoLoco]

Hello All -
I believe that the first rule in the "oldest profession" is to get the money up front. Some may argue that the victims' economically-depressed condition precluded demanding an up front fee. I do not agree with this argument. Get burnt once or twice, and you demand the fee up front.
Edward

There's no evidence pointing one way or the other, but any cop or ex-cop that I've spoken to about this all said the same thing: no matter how desperate the victim may be, there's no way the money doesn't get collected before going to the eventual scene of the crime. And the fact that none of the victims were found with any cash on their persons says to me that the Ripper took the time to get what he could after cutting the throat and before beginning the mutilations.

[Edward]

Fee for Service

Hello All -
I believe that the first rule in the "oldest profession" is to get the money up front. Some may argue that the victims' economically-depressed condition precluded demanding an up front fee. I do not agree with this argument. Get burnt once or twice, and you demand the fee up front.
Edward

[ianincleveland]

Would they only go with a client after receiving and pocketing the money, or would it be enough if he showed it to them and gave it to them afterwards?

This is important, because, as we all know, none of the victims had money on her person when found, although Jack very probably approached them pretending to be a client. So either he took the money back afterwards, or never gave it to them at all.

Somehow I find it hard to believe clients paid first - this could end with the lady running away with the money, and in every other trade it is first goods, then paying, isn't it?

I have not found information regarding this yet, and I admit, I do not know where to start my search.

dunno about then but even the desperate drug addicted prostitutes who walk the streets these days all ask for money up front

[ianincleveland]

I wondered about that, too - it could be appealing to their greed (or rather: need), or making himself looking clumsy. (Shy guy does not know the going rate, something like this ...)



The blood splatters rather indicate he cut their throats while they were lying on the ground.

He could well have thrown them to the ground as they hid the money,but im a believer he paid them over the going rate to make him a more attractive proposition,as you say he could have pretended not to know the rates and that may have made them up the rates and feel more secure.i think there was something about JTR that didnt frighten them off,most likely a very ordinary looking mild mannered man.

but paying them over the odds would no doubt have attracted the women

[K-453]

I think Jack would have been quite happy to pay up front, as he was able to recover whatever he paid out anyway.

He could not be sure of that. What if the woman led him to a place that was not safe enough? Could he ask for his money back then?

It is possible he lost a lot of money due to his ... little hobby.

Hmm ... maybe he robbed his victims because he was broke because of that?

[K-453]

im wondering if when hed paid them up front,he gave them more than the going rate

I wondered about that, too - it could be appealing to their greed (or rather: need), or making himself looking clumsy. (Shy guy does not know the going rate, something like this ...)

and as they had their backs to him putting the cash in their secret hiding place ,he cut their throats

The blood splatters rather indicate he cut their throats while they were lying on the ground.

[ianincleveland]

im wondering if when hed paid them up front,he gave them more than the going rate and the women hid the money for safekeeping and as they had their backs to him putting the cash in their secret hiding place ,he cut their throats and after hed done butchering he calmly robbed them off the pennys