Answer in the victims' backgrounds

[Phil H]

...you canīt deny that this is one

"This" being?

Phil

[curious4]

Quite right Rubyretro - I stand corrected.

And of course we now have Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge!! (Bit late for a JtR connection though!)

What commonality the victims had was that they were all from the same strata of society, all in the same poor section of the city, and out on the streets late at night touting for customers. No other common features that 121 years of study has shown, despite various speculation from conspiracists that there was some common link.

There remains, I suppose, the outside possibility that the victims knoew, or at least were aware of each other. No proof, but they do seem to have lived in the same few streets from time to time and thus their paths may have crossed. I'm talking about knowing each other by sight, rather than friendship, of course.

Eddowes seems to have used the name Kelly, which is probably coincidence - but can we just dismiss it?

For all that, I am firmly of the view (in my own thinking at least) that these were random victims of a stalker of the streets, killed because they were weak, drunken, sick etc and had the misfortune to cross his path at the wrong time. I am absolutely sure they were not killed for some underlying, linked, reason related to their previous lives.

Phil

Hello Phil (Pip) lol,

Point taken - but if you are looking for similarities between the victims, you canīt deny that this is one.

C4

[Phil H]

Quite right Rubyretro - I stand corrected.

And of course we now have Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge!! (Bit late for a JtR connection though!)

What commonality the victims had was that they were all from the same strata of society, all in the same poor section of the city, and out on the streets late at night touting for customers. No other common features that 121 years of study has shown, despite various speculation from conspiracists that there was some common link.

There remains, I suppose, the outside possibility that the victims knoew, or at least were aware of each other. No proof, but they do seem to have lived in the same few streets from time to time and thus their paths may have crossed. I'm talking about knowing each other by sight, rather than friendship, of course.

Eddowes seems to have used the name Kelly, which is probably coincidence - but can we just dismiss it?

For all that, I am firmly of the view (in my own thinking at least) that these were random victims of a stalker of the streets, killed because they were weak, drunken, sick etc and had the misfortune to cross his path at the wrong time. I am absolutely sure they were not killed for some underlying, linked, reason related to their previous lives.

Phil

[Rubyretro]

Henry VIII had two Queen's called "Catherine" - of Aragon and Howard

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3 -Catherine Parr

[ChrisGeorge]

curious

Are not "Mary, Ann, Catherine and Elizabeth" also all the names of saints, Biblical names - Mary (various New Testament figures including the mother of Jesus, the Magdalen and mary of Bethany),; Ann Mary;s mother and Elizabeth, Mary's cousin and the mother of John the Baptist. St Catherine - of the wheel fame - is I think "of Sienna"?

Hello Phil et al

But they are all common given names of the day, aren't they? A number of the unfortunates, including Mary Jane Kelly, were Catholics, so of course they would have the names of saints. No great mystery there.

What commonality the victims had was that they were all from the same strata of society, all in the same poor section of the city, and out on the streets late at night touting for customers. No other common features that 121 years of study has shown, despite various speculation from conspiracists that there was some common link.

Best regards

Chris

[Carrotty Nell]

curious

As Queen's we had two Queens Regnant - Mary Tudor and Mary Stuart (co-Sovereign with William II). Charles I's consort was Henrietta Maria. James II was married to Mary of Modena.

In Scotland there were several Queen Marys, not least "Mary Queen of Scots" (executed 1587) and her mother Mary of Guise.

Queen Anne ruled 1702-14. Richard II had a Queen Ann (Neville) and Richard II was married to Anne of Bohemia.

Henry VIII had two Queen's called "Catherine" - of Aragon and Howard, and Catherine of Braganza was consort to Charles II.

Princess MARY of Teck was, of course, later to be engaged to HRH Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence.

Phil

If you want to stretch it a bit further even... you can even include Empress Matilda (reigned 1140-ish?). Matilda was the name of Aaron Kosminski's sister whom he attacked with a knife.

[Sally]

Sally - probably only because I give people the "Pip"!!

Good to chat again.

Pip-pip,

Phil (Pip)

Oh come now, Phil - your'e not so indigestible!

Nice to see you too

Toodle-Pip!

[Phil H]

Sally - probably only because I give people the "Pip"!!

Good to chat again.

Pip-pip,

Phil (Pip)

[Sally]

Yes

Absolutely - for instance all the various versions of Elizabeth over time - Liz, Beth, Bess, etc.

Once upon a time, Phil, we'd have been calling you 'Pip'

[Phil H]

I bet there weren't many Chloe's, Holly's or Amber's around in those days..

But nicknames were common:

"POLLY" Nichols; "Liz" Stride (even "Long" LIz as a reference to stride/step).

Joseph Barnett was "Joe", his brother Daniel, "Danny".

In my post-war youth, every male surnamed "Miller" was called "Dusty"; "Whites" were "Chalkies" (I think that was a wartime thing). Perhaps every generation has its preferences.

Phil

[Sally]

Phil..

Yes.

And additionally, I believe two of the victims were Roman Catholic, so even more likely they'd have saints names - which were in any case common.

How things change. I bet there weren't many Chloe's, Holly's or Amber's around in those days..

[Phil H]

curious

Are not "Mary, Ann, Catherine and Elizabeth" also all the names of saints, Biblical names - Mary (various New Testament figures including the mother of Jesus, the Magdalen and mary of Bethany),; Ann Mary;s mother and Elizabeth, Mary's cousin and the mother of John the Baptist. St Catherine - of the wheel fame - is I think "of Sienna"?

As Queen's we had two Queens Regnant - Mary Tudor and Mary Stuart (co-Sovereign with William II). Charles I's consort was Henrietta Maria. James II was married to Mary of Modena.

In Scotland there were several Queen Marys, not least "Mary Queen of Scots" (executed 1587) and her mother Mary of Guise.

Queen Anne ruled 1702-14. Richard II had a Queen Ann (Neville) and Richard II was married to Anne of Bohemia.

Henry VIII had two Queen's called "Catherine" - of Aragon and Howard, and Catherine of Braganza was consort to Charles II.

Princess MARY of Teck was, of course, later to be engaged to HRH Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence.

Bringing things down to the mundane, were not many "Christian" or forenames, biblical in the C19th both for men and women? All four of the ones I am discussing fall into that bracket - equivalent to Thomas/Tom; John; Peter; Andrew etc for men

Phil

[curious4]

Another link perhaps

Just realised that all the canonical victims bore the names of queens. Mary, Ann, Catherine and Elizabeth. Is this another common link. My keyboard has gone mad in the heat and won t do question marks and has taken over the whole top row / maybe it s getting tired of all my questions!

All the best
C4

[curious4]

Hello Sasha,
I have always thought that it was more than a coincidence that all the women (apart from MJK) were more or less the same height and age. If Jack did hate women, perhaps the one he hated the most was roughly this height and age. I donīt know why MJK didnīt fit this description - perhaps it had become too dangerous to kill on the streets and he took someone who had her own room. She was at least, as he called them, one of the "whores" he was "down on".

Best wishes,
C4

[Sasha]

Thanks guys. That was very helpful. :-)