Double Event, or Triple Event?

[Uncle Jack]

It may have been a triple event for Jack if you believe P.C Spicer's story of that night (But triple event only if you believe Stride was murdered by Jack, which I don't...)

[Graham]

Dear Brown,

I understand from our correspondence that you wish to bump off your wife, and who can blame you, the gin-sodden old trout. May I suggest that you do it some time during the night of 29th September, as upon that date I intend to be engaged in or around Mitre Square, and by the time I'm finished the bizzies won't be particularly interested in investigating some boring domestic problem.

A small donation will be most welcome, plain envelope, usual address.

Good luck,

Yours, etc.,

J T Ripper.

[Jeff Leahy]

Last time I by you a pint stinky...


But just to recap. We cant be certain of the Rippers Mental State....but profiling suggests Schizophrenia as the most probable answer..

We have one suspect that fits as local man most probably suffering Schizophrenia..

Schizophrenics by and large are not dangerous unless effected by external drugs or alcohol..

Chemicals used in the tailoring or hat trade might have had an adverse effect on a schizophrenic using the premises..

Pirate

I don’t think it is being stated that we know Jack the Rippers mental state.

Clearly the Ripper was Schizophrenic, ...

.........

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Clueless

I don’t think it is being stated that we know Jack the Rippers mental state.

Just that given what is ‘known’ that it’s possible certain suspects could have had a mental condition that might explain the murders.

Personally I’d go with Kosminski and Schizophrenia. But 'Manic depressive’s' as far as I’m aware, are statistically more likely to kill.

Pirate

[Clueless]

Hi folks, thanks for the interesting discussion.

Personally I tend to agree with Hunter, Rob and the others who feel there's a good chance there was one SK behind the C5. Can't prove I'm correct but like to think I at least "have my eyes open".

Doubt we'll ever know for certain the killer's psychological state or be in a position to diagnose the exact nature of his condition. My own best guess is that he wasn't a happy well-adjusted man.

best wishes,
Clueless

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello Jeff,

You have your opinion, others have theirs.

Neither Druitt nor Kosiminsky can be the "Ripper" because there is no evidence against either of them. There never was. In K's case. it was Anderson's comment ALONE and his opinion ALONE.. that it was a "def ascertained fact"... yet I, along with many many others still await these "facts" that were so certain that no one else knew them, and a very senior man inside the SD said that "Anderson (the man who uttered this opinion) only thought he knew".

Phil

Phil, we simply do not know what evidence Anderson and Swanson had?

It's not yet been discovered.

However they clearly must have had evidence we nolonger have. FACT.

As you say we know very little about why they believed what they did, but the fact remains that Kosminski is the best suspects we have, bye a very long way.

Who else would you propose, Maybrick? Lewis Carrol? Uncle Tom cobley?

Kosminski was a schizophrenic. He was a local man who fits the location profile. His mental condition fits the FBi profile.

Everything we know about him fits a Lust killer profile.

Anderson believed he was the Ripper…

I mean what more do you guys require?

He is simply the number one suspect out there like RED RUM in a Grande National. The rest are non starters.

Pirate

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jeff,

You have your opinion, others have theirs.

Neither Druitt nor Kosiminsky can be the "Ripper" because there is no evidence against either of them. There never was. In K's case. it was Anderson's comment ALONE and his opinion ALONE.. that it was a "def ascertained fact"... yet I, along with many many others still await these "facts" that were so certain that no one else knew them, and a very senior man inside the SD said that "Anderson (the man who uttered this opinion) only thought he knew".

Do please tell me where Druitt or Kosminsky were as a proven FACT on the night of each and every murder? Do please tell me where there is tangible evidence that any ONE suspected person was at the scene, or even NEAR, every murder on the nights in question? If THAT were the case, then, we would have a realistic suspect. would we not?

Respectfully, what you see as "tosh" others see otherwise Jeff. There is, imho, no binding evidence for ANY one person being responsible for all C5 murders.

best wishes

Phil

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello Jon,

In addition, it really doesn't matter which particular "suspect" one prefers, whatever his name... one person doesn't fit for all 5 murders. That is why Messrs Druitt and Kosminsky, amongst others, cannot be the fictional JTR. Whichever way one tries to fit the name to the facts.

Phil

You really do talk utter tosh at times. Clearly the Ripper was Schizophrenic, and therefore the murders fit a perfectly 'irrational' pattern of escalation. FACT.

Pirate

[Phil Carter]

Hi Trevor

As the killer had visibility in the back yard of Hanbury Street he seems to have been able to remove the complete uterus, whereas, working blind in Mitre Sq, a portion of the uterus remained.

Hello Jon,

In all normal course of events, possible. But none of this IS normal. So...
Also possible:- two different people committing the two aforementioned murders.

I am only walking around with the eyes open to possibilities. Not with my eyes closed and saying "1 man, 5 murders". The differences in each murder. murder location, situation, style, wounds, timing, and reason in the suggested meaning behind the murders, mean, imho that there is a fair possibility of there being greater than one murderer knocking around. Just too many differences for my liking.

In addition, it really doesn't matter which particular "suspect" one prefers, whatever his name... one person doesn't fit for all 5 murders. That is why Messrs Druitt and Kosminsky, amongst others, cannot be the fictional JTR. Whichever way one tries to fit the name to the facts.

PS. As Druitt was found with stones in his pocket, every cricket player will tell you that there is only ONE cricketing person that carries stones by habit... the umpire, for counting and declaring "over".

best wishes to all..keep smiling

Phil

[JTRSickert]

Oh brother, what have I started with this?!

I bring up a simple topic and it escalates into an argument match? I feel like I'm in a Monty Python skit right now.

Can't we all just agree to disagree?

[Jeff Leahy]

Isn't the simple answer that Jack just cut the victim open, fished around a bit and took what ever he came across?

I guess the source for that would be Sam Flynn

Pirate

[Jon Guy]

Why did he take a uterus and its appendages from Chapman but only the uterus from Eddowes.

Hi Trevor

As the killer had visibility in the back yard of Hanbury Street he seems to have been able to remove the complete uterus, whereas, working blind in Mitre Sq, a portion of the uterus remained.

[Jeff Leahy]

I dont know where some of you people get your ideas from

I think the FBI profile confirms the Ripper was a Schizophrenic.

PS RE: MO. I guess my sources are Begg and Rumblow.

[Trevor Marriott]

As I said, probably because none of the murders were identical.

And all show signs of continuing development and severity.

Which would appear to go with what is known about psychotic episodes.

Pirate

I dont know where some of you people get your ideas from